Second Leaders Debate

Second Leaders Debate



they've been out there every day what will be the price all you want to do is cut from selling their policies it's your choice promising videos this is the fair go in action but have they been answering the people's questions it's show-and-tell time bill now they have to pay pal up over the truth welcome to the Sky News Coria male people's forum live from Brisbane now your moderator Sky News political editor David Spears good evening welcome to the Sky News courier-mail people's forum live from the Gabba in Brisbane would you all please welcome prime minister Scott Morrison and opposition leader Bill Shorten gentlemen thank you both for being here tonight I'll give you to shake hands just for a little longer we do need to capture the moment for posterity there and for the front page tomorrow as well we we appreciate that but before Matt for those watching at home it's pretty simple we have an audience here of 109 undecided voters chosen by galaxy research they will be asking the questions I'm here to make sure we get some answers we're gonna try and get through as many questions as we can this evening starting over with some opening statements we had a coin toss a little earlier which the Prime Minister won and Scott Morrison is going to speak first over to you well thank you very much David and thank everyone here for being here this evening thank you Bill and it's a great privilege for us to be here on this important occasion over the next few weeks you and around Australia Australians we're making a decision about who you want to lead this country for the next three years either myself as Prime Minister or Bill Shorten this is an important decision and tonight you what you'll expect from us and what you'll get and my commitment is is direct and honest answers to your questions it's about your questions and the answers to those questions tonight but my answers tonight will cover one particular theme and that is this and that is Australia as the best country in the world and I have a plan to keep it that way but the road ahead depends on how we manage our economy successfully in the years ahead just this last year we have announced a first budget surplus in 12 years now what that does is demonstrate our ability to manage money and to be able to deliver on the commitments that we make and so tonight is to talk about those commitments and how we can make them happen thanks very much for your attention mr. shorten over to you good evening everybody and thanks for coming along tonight to help in the in the national election Australia needs a change after six years of coalition government this country needs a change the economy is not working in the interests of working a middle class people going to the doctor the out-of-pocket prices have gone up 20 percent plus your power bills go up it's an adventure to go on open them wages are the only thing that are not going up and we also see the cost of childcare more more expensive make it harder for working people to make ends meet and of course we've seen chaos in Canberra you voted for Mr Abbott and got Mr Turnbull you voted for Mr Turnbull you've got Mr Morrison you vote for mr. Morrison you might get quite farmer who knows what we need in this country is we need change for the better so I offer you the prospect of real wage rises pensioner dental making sure the pensioners get proper affordable dental care cheaper child care and real action on climate change and best of all I lead a United team we're stable and we've got a plan for the fair go for all Australians thank you very much all right mr. Chilton thank you you can clap to the [Applause] let's get straight into the questions then we got the first one here just ask you to stand up for us thank you my questions to both of you most people do not report their sexual assault for those who do the majority of cases do not even make it to court less than 1% of rapists are jailed this is wrong how are you going to address this issue all right Prime Minister you want to tackle that one first thank you I can't think of a more disturbing prospect I have two daughters and I just imagine the horror and that's why I'm the son of a police officer that means – we need to ensure that there are the proper resources that are available for our police and law enforcement authorities as a government that's what we've been investing in but we also need to ensure we address the real cause of where this all happens and that's the disrespect of women and that can happen very early in life and we need to teach teach our children as they grow the respect of women because while disrespect of women doesn't always end in violence it's certainly where it starts and that's why our plan of three hundred and twenty six million dollars which has now been over eight hundred millions on the funds with it spent on domestic violence in particular and violence against women is a bipartisan plan I should say and one were the states and territories which needs to deliver on that but we cannot tolerate disrespect of women mr. jordan what's your first name Lana you know it's a good way to start the debate with us more in agreement than in disagreement so thank you very much for your question and I agreed with a lot of what mr. Morrison said probably the only things I'd add to his answer is that I think we can do even more in terms of protecting women who are in violent situations and we've got a couple of examples which I hope the government will consider along with us one is that take for instance women and abusive relationships quite often people say why didn't they leave but the problem is if you don't have anywhere to go if you can't afford to go anywhere then you're trapped so what we intend to do is invest in more refuges both in cities and in country towns we're also proposing a new concept called domestic violence leave you know if you're at work and you're in an abusive relationship and you need to change the kids schools you need to change the locks well you need to just do the paperwork which happens it can be very overwhelming so what we're proposing is to introduce some our Family Violence leave which we also think would work we've allocated some new funding but at the end of the day what we also have to do in this country is make it very clear that any attitudes about degrading women are unacceptable so this is a good topic to start with everything that we agree on that as well because we've already legislated for domestic violence leave and we've also already increased funding for the very programs of refuges in the most recent package we announced there is there a difference though with domestic violence leave as to whether it's paid or unpaid we've legislated to make it possible through employers and we think that's a good thing these are issues that have to be worked through with the employers yeah there is a slight difference it's not the topic which I'd say would be the key reason to vote for one or the other but there is a difference we believe that domestic violence lives should be paid there are some people in the community who say if you make it a paid right that somehow people will claim it that's not right I just think that the incidence of it means that this country and it's a collective responsibility can afford to have some modest paid domestic-violence leave we're proposing 10 days if we form a government we're certainly going to support that as an employer of best practice in the Commonwealth all right thank you both let's get to the next question over to you sir hi my name's Phil my questions mr. short thanks for what number of policies does the Labour Party have in table at this stage and what are the costings with we've heard from Labour about a great plan before but we end up with higher taxes and more deficit with all these plans without all these plans of hid can you please outline how much the policies will cost and how much more the Australian people were paying in tax to make them happen thanks Phil big topic the government say that we can't afford our policies we have a different view it's about priorities in terms of our costings we're going to release them towards the end of next week the full the full box and dice an hour here won't permit me to go through all of our policies and all of our costings but will be the first opposition to release it not in the very last week of an election in many elections so if I get your details at the end I'll make sure as soon as the buttons pushed on the release you get a copy of it let's go to the I think the question inherent behind it which is saying that if Labour wants to pay money for pensioners to be able to get dental care or if we want to assist households get their childcare subsidies so that it's not as expensive the question is how do you pay for our nice promises what's a matter of priorities I actually think that we can afford to make multinationals pay their fair share I don't think as a country we can afford we can keep affording to give away money to in subsidies to property investors who are making losses on their investments or indeed one of the issues which is causing some concern and debate currently in Australia you'd be surprised to know that you can get an income tax check in the mail for owning shares even though you haven't paid any income tax so we're gonna wind back some of the unsustainable subsidies to all a matter of priority at the end of the day I think this nation functions best when working in middle class people are getting a fair go the cost of childcare has gone up 28% I would rather spend some scarce and and taxpayer money on childcare then give it in sort of tax subsidies to the top end of town all right and Prime Minister are there further costings to come from you well we released a budget just before we went in the election there's 700 individual measures in their budget and we'll follow that same process but let me pick up on a point that bill made there's 387 billion dollars worth of individual higher taxes that the Labour Party are proposing in this election they are spending more they are taxing more that's what the Labour Party is proposing but I want to particularly picked up on multinational tax of the all of the taxes they're there they're raising only 2 billion over that next 10 years will actually be for multinationals 54 billion will be what they're taxing retirees so they're going to be taxing retirees 27 times more than multinationals now back in 2015 when I became treasurer we took through the Parliament the multinational anti-avoidance legislation so far that legislation since 2016 has captured some 7 point 7 billion dollars in additional tax liabilities for multinationals so we've achieved in less than three years what the Labour Party is proposing to do for multinationals over the next 10 years and interestingly when we introduced that legislation back in 2015 the Labour Party actually voted against it but it's been successful and it means that as a government would been the most successful in cracking down on multinationals to make sure they pay their fair share of tax so we can reduce tax for all Australians a list and there a couple of points there which forced me to answer to correct the record first of all if multinationals are being so vigilantly watched by this anti-big business Liberal government in Australia why does so many big companies practically pay no tax in Australia why does ExxonMobil giant or company they extract all of the oil out of Bass Strait in other places why do they get away with such big revenues and pay no tax at all you look at our Facebook a big social media giant it makes in revenue in Australia nearly six hundred million dollars tax it pays 12 million so I don't accept that this government is doing everything it can to make multinationals will you make Facebook pay more tax and how will you do that well first of all I'm gonna finish the rest of the debate the rest of the questions I will come to that because there were three things that mr. Morrison said they're just about if we don't answer them now then we'll lose the drift and you'll get a way of saying them the sec so this government hasn't been tough on multinationals secondly this government had one economic plan for three years give away big business tax cuts remember that was their economic plan for three years one plan one point plan give away money to reduce the tax rate for big corporations in Australia but the third thing I want to make clear here and about this whole issue is that mr. Morrison said that somehow there's fifty five billion dollars being slugged on retirees this is a lie it's rubbish it's a policy lie what happens currently in Australia and have got to take 30 seconds because for a lot of people franking credits don't affect you if you've never heard of it don't worry about it but the point about it is a lot of Australians I made are amazed that we have a law in Australia which has only been in since 2001 it didn't come out with you know captain Arthur Phillip on the first fleet but in 2001 it was introduced this law that you can pay you can get an income tax refund without paying income tax in retirement so it's not a tax what happens currently is if you are in a lot of shares and you don't pay income tax you get a dividend the interest on the share and that dividends tax-free in retirement and we're not going to change that but what happened in 2001 is they introduced a new rule you're gonna love this rule it's not illegal it's not immoral but it's not sustainable what happens now if you get a dividend in retirement and you don't pay any income just quickly mr. shake government gives you a 30% refund okay how can this be we're going to remove we could feed the stalks for longer because he's got more taxes to expire he's got more taxes he's got to explain tonight but that I still didn't get an answer the question as to why Bill Shorten in the Labor Party voted against our multinational anti-avoidance legislation back in 2015 seven point seven billion dollars raised in tax liabilities in the last three years and that will continue to raise additional revenue over the next ten years but if you wanted to have a threshold of companies about against wait a second hold your horses we wanted to take the threshold for multinationals down to one hundred million dollars they wanted to keep it a two hundred million dollars we thought don't go light so you're voted against multinational to be voted against your weaker laws for tougher laws unfortunately at the numbers well a billion dollars got a response from Bill Shorten suggestions there that the loophole as he calls it Thor franking credits is unsustainable this these explain the Frank dividend system and so if I own a share in Cuates or in Commonwealth Bank or something like this I can deduct the full Frank dividend amount from the tax liability I pay now why should I be able to do that and someone who's worked all their life pay tax all their life provided for their retirement and now self-funded they actually get because the company's already paid that tax they get that sent back to them that's what they live off now this is like twelve hundred dollars for retirees up to twelve thousand this is the money that is spent for them to pay for their private health insurance this that the suggestion that these people have not paid tax we're talking about retirees we're talking about mums and dads we're talking about Nair and Paul this is the money they rely on not to go under the pension and they've planned their entire retirement on the basis of it they were the rules and the Labour Party now wants to change the rules which will take their income away and try and force them onto the pension that's what I don't think sustainable well let's unpack that a little bit just very briefly because I also want to come back to your suggestion faces a complex issue and it's at the heart of the government's care campaign first of all when our franking credits were introduced if you paid tax in the company you shouldn't pay income taxes or it was about not overpaying to lots of tax what happened is in 2001 John Howard said actually we've got so much money coming in from mining that what we'll do is we'll say to people even if you haven't even if you don't pay any income tax we knee of you an income tax refund in the same year and remember when Mr Morrison says it's all very hard when it was introduced we started paying five hundred million dollars a year to people in a form of an income tax refund without an paid income tax it's now six billion dollars now it's not illegal but the point about it is there's no rational reason to give someone a income tax refund when they haven't paid income tax and if this money doesn't just grow on trees what happens is you all go to work okay no no this is a very David a long time I've been ranking credit to you well no no but I'll tell you what it's a big issue and let's be really clear and I'll be another tense 30 seconds on it don't happens is it's important he's got a lot to explain Muslims we just need to keep the mediator in okay let's be really upfront really when you when you pay an income tax refund to someone hasn't paid income tax someone else has had to pay the income tax to the government so everyone who goes to work the nurses the doctors the tradies the firefighters everyone who goes to work you pay your income tax and then that gets sent to someone else who hasn't paid income tax at all merely because they happen to own shares retirees and that means that people who are self-funded in their retirement and it includes up to fifty thousand pensioners over the next ten years will have income that they rely on which helps pay the bills today taken away you vote Labour that's what will happen to those Australia just very very fund come from let me just come from taxpayers why are you paying a gift to someone it's a gift it is when you don't pay income tax and you get a refund all of their lives everyone then you're gonna tell them everyone works hard man well I think so friends at retirees have worked pretty hard myself and I think they deserve to not have the rules changed let me just try to come back to the point about Facebook you suggested Facebook and ExxonMobil will pay more tax under labor yeah so well you know announced some more strategies in terms of multinational tax that are launched on Sunday because we actually think that um everyone's doing their bit in Australia but Australia shouldn't be a soft touch when it comes to other companies from outside Australia coming here exploiting our resources making revenue in this country and then using strategies to minimize their tax in Australia if your mum and dad News Agency have to pay tax if an individual going to work a council worker has to pay tax they don't have the same options as multinationals so we think we can do more so I agree that we should do more we'll keep doing more but all I know is as the governors a treasurer we legislated to make them pay more seven point seven billion more in three years of what allows you to mr. Morris against you just said more needs to be done what will you do we're working through the g20 on these issues that's how we did the first tranche of reforms it was called the base erosion and profit shifting ratio and you the way you actually make multinationals pay more tax is you share the information and data and tax paid by these companies and other jurisdictions and when you swap the information which is what we introduced and so there's what's called country by country reporting that's how you trap them and that's how we have trapped them and I don't know why bill voted against it should multinationals pay a percentage and what they make in Australia I think that multinationals a lot of them who are paying very small amounts of tax need to be accountable in the taxation system in Australia whether or not I'm not gonna say it should be a blanket percentage but what I do think is the company's a game it here's an example just to show you what our eggs are government Oh answering your question the issue here is you could be an IT company making great software and selling software in Australia you're an international brand you know the young people at one bar you know spend hundreds of millions of dollars buying your products normally in an Australian company therefore you'd have to pay a proportion of that revenue and profit as tax but miraculously these companies all have licensing arrangements with Singapore their operations in Singapore other countries so what they do is they say before you tax us on our money we have to paid this parent company in Singapore a license arrangement and hey presto a lot of the money that would an Australian company would have to be paid pay tax on all of a sudden is billed overseas and you can't tax it here okay another example the treasurer am I've got to pull him up is that what was in our legislation it's called profit shifting and transfer pricing and that's what we actually dealt with in that legislation again that but maybe bill didn't understand it when he voted against it not I'm still puzzled as to why they didn't support it more questions we got one right here sure hi my name's Carrie I'm a mother and a grandmother my question is for mr. shorten what's the Labour Party attitude toward people who identify as Christians when they speak in public forums or on social media on topics where their biblical view might be unpopular amongst general society are you referring specifically to Israel Folau no there's a whole range of issues abortion euthanasia gender dysmorphia same-sex marriage a whole range of issues okay mr. shorten people are favored and title to practice their face they're entitled to have their opinions I do believe that there should be freedom of religion in this country did you want to add to that I I'm passionate about freedom religion in this country whatever your faith might be whether it's Christian whether it's Islam whether it's Buddhist whichever it may be and if it's no religion at all that is I think one of the most fundamental freedoms that any Australian has but I simply say this we live in a society and that means that we treat each other with respect in the way that we speak and we can believe everything that we believe but I sincerely believe that as Australians and it's part of my own practice of my own religious belief that in the way we express things we have to be very mindful of our respect for others it we should have freedom of speech in this country but that does come with a responsibility and a responsibility for care and the way we express ourselves to each other does that answer your question mr. mr. Morrison answered my question but Mr shorten just talked about practicing religion and that's a very different thing to speaking about it in public forums all right so when you speak in a public forum or on social media then you just get attacked but and I can see that this deteriorating further as time goes by with Christians having less opportunity to to speak what they believe is truth because society says no that's wrong and I just want to make sure that if the labour party becomes the new government for the country that our freedoms to speak about what we believe aren't going to be eroded further what is it you that you can't say now well well you you can't really say on on too many places at all you can't really say something like abortion is wrong because abortion is killing a baby so if you say something like that and it's and and you're a celebrity for instance like it's it makes no difference if I put something like that on because I'm nobody nobody knows who I am but if somebody who's that who's out there in the community and people know them says abortion is wrong it's killing a baby then they get attacked for that viewpoint I mean the controversial case in point right now is that Israel Folau and I don't I didn't really want to mention that but that's that is an example of a situation where someone is talking about their religious beliefs to use the word religious but then is getting her into the line okay can I just check that would you like government to do something about this because there's no breaking the law here would you like government to have some sort of law to do what I don't think they can have a law but I do think that the government lead by example in terms of you know the government's don't leaders of government and leaders of political parties don't weigh in on these thoughts of issues when they come up and it needs to be generally held I guess by the party that you can speak freely about waiting on this we had the radical review and that provided a recommendation and they said there should be a religious Discrimination Act and that should simply afford the same protections to people because of their religious Flash and practice as would be afforded to someone because of their sector sexuality their gender identification or any of the many other things that are actually covered by any discrimination laws in this country freedom religion it's so important to who we are as a people and the same protections should be there for people of religion and their religious faith as are there for people for whatever other issue they may be identified one people shouldn't be discriminated against in this country and for whatever the reason and religion shouldn't be a basis for discrimination why didn't the government get around to this during this term of Parliament well we had other priorities moving into the budget we were working through the response to the to the report and we were referring other matters off from the Radek report to the Law Reform Commission as well and we initiated that process before we went into caretaker mode and it's an important priority for us on if we're really do we need this act I just I want to just go to I don't think people should be persecuted because of their religious faiths and I've always thought that but I also have to just for the sake of it you mentioned a particular topic I don't think women's seeking an abortion in this country should have to go through a whole ring of protesters either so it's a very interesting and tough question isn't it I don't think when people were campaigning for marriage equality you people got different views on it that's fair enough but I also don't think that someone who supports marriage equality should be equated as wanting to you know support you know aberrant sexual practices merely because they support marriage equality I think you go to a deeper question here and not only for what motivates you but more generally there is a lack of civility in the public debate what happens too often in politics is its destruction there's nothing wrong with testing each other's views that's that's entirely legitimate I say our Westminster system but somewhere along the line we've become very uncivil and I think social media gotta tape has to take and the mainstream media have to take some responsibility because what happens is passes for news in Australia is conflict you know if X says Y is no good and Y says X is no good that's more likely to get a run in the newspaper on Sky News than a happy story and in social media well that's even far less accountable and one of the things artists said to David earlier if I heard the chances I think that social media platforms new media need to be a lot more accountable for what gets said on it now that might satisfy every point you have about your sense that Christians are being persecuted it's not a view I entirely share but I do accept their examples of intolerance just to finish from that David I agree we need to learn how to disagree better we're not always going to agree but we need to learn to disagree better but I do know that many Christians around the country feel exactly the way you do I know they feel exactly the way they do and so we need to make sure that Australians of whatever faiths don't feel like okay let's get to the next question just over here hello my name is Michaela I have kind of two questions but I'm going to roll them into one the first one is why do the labour and the Liberal Party keep funding headspace when Xbox have acknowledged that it is failing our young Australians and the second question is do you guys have any intention of providing funding to Australia's 24/7 professional phone counseling service kids helpline because I recently read an article that they're desperate for funding so I guess they're – and they're both related to youth mental health let me respond what we don't impart with this in the budget we've made further announcements we've got over half a billion dollars that we're committed to a youth mental health strategy to combat your suicide I I think this is the biggest challenge we face in this country today young people are killing themselves they're killing themselves in remote indigenous communities they're killing themselves in the suburbs here of Brisbane and in my community back in Sydney now headspace I I believe has been a success and I'll tell you why when the Health Minister went up to Grafton earlier this year now sorry a few years ago and there had been a cluster of youth suicides and he went there and he visited and we put a headspace in there and there hasn't been one since now it's not perfect but what we've done is increase the funding for it to reduce the waiting times we've added significantly another 30 centres that will be established 20 in regional areas and we're putting them in in spots where we know there are real great risks we're also increasing the funding for indigenous youth mental health particularly in places like in Western Australia where there's been a real spike in the Kimberley's and that needs to be addressed is about 16.9 million going into that event youth mental health I think is the thing that's the reason why we need a strong economy it's the reason why you need to manage your budget will because that I cannot think of an even greater priority than stopping our young people who have given up hope on life from killing themselves Mr shorten McAlary you asked two questions I'll answer both for them first of all on headspace I share the views of mr. Morrison in terms we think it has done some good things we're proposing also just supported going forward but I'm interested to talk to you afterwards about your particular concerns and it the kids help I'll take that on board that's a good point and I'd like to talk to you afterwards about what we can do and let's go to the deeper issue of mental health generally it used to be a stigma and it still sometimes has some stigma unfairly I remember I was at school in year 11 and they with the school assembly they said a boy in year 12 had had a cerebral hemorrhage on the train and you know and I ran into his sister ten years later and that was only when the penny dropped that he'd committed suicide so even in the 1980s when I was at school people weren't saying what it was now I understand you got to be careful of copycat or similar behavior but it was a hidden question and one good thing that we've seen in the last number of years is people are more willing to talk about it you know I would I would hesitate to say and we could do a quick show of hands here this challenge of mental illness and indeed suicide is more pervasive and I just want to do a quick survey how many people here have ever known someone in their family or now on a family where someone's taken their own life with a show of hands gee that's amazing isn't it so you know I think an absolutely priority point you've made Macomb I don't like to talk about the kids helpline all right thank you both let's get to the next question hi my name is Leanne and my question is to both the leaders post offices provide vital services to Australians nationwide enable the government's community service obligation its funding responsibility to be met the majority of these are privately owned small businesses many of these organizations are under serious financial pressure with increasing costs and diminishing returns leading them to fear of their ongoing survival their small businesses as the Minister for communication has the power to direct the activities of Australia Post what action would your party take to prevent further licence post offices closures across the country first of all there's small family businesses and so we need to support small and family businesses with lower taxes which was what we've done bring in down to 25% the tax rate to ensure that they can ride off the equipment they buy as part of their business and we've done that through the instant asset write-off increasing the amount you can write off from 20 thousand up to 30 thousand we're making it easier for them get to access to finance through our two billion dollars securitization fund so they're the more general things we're doing around small business one of the other things we've done is provide mental health support actually for small business and family owners because they're under enormous stress and for them to be better and for them to be more well it's important to help them run their business but when it comes to Australia Post one of the things our government is is we actually did increase the prices of letters and these sorts of things that go through the post offices at the end of the day their businesses and the way businesses do better is if our economy is more healthy and our economy is more healthy when there is a lower tax burden on those who are walking in and out of post offices that are coming in there to buy the goods and other things that are now sold in those businesses so they're like a retail business like any of the others and we want to see them succeed and no government has done more to lower the cost and lower the burden of paperwork than ours government has to ensure small businesses continue to be the heroes that they are in our economy mr. Jordan thanks Lynn did you work at one of those agencies or you've just got a you just know okay agree with Scott 25% tax rate for businesses under 50 million agree also that when a business small business invests a new productive machinery that under labor we would give them an extra 20% tax write-off on their investment of the new technology straight away so that's a plus may tip a project which is marginal middle let's support the family or the business investing in the new technology but I'm interested in Australia Post specifically as a set of businesses listen I can't remember the exact number don't hold me to it it's about two and a half thousand three thousand Australia Post outlets around Australia you know other than the big four banks Australia Post has the best regional network so I think they're having an Australia Post business in your local country town as a sign of health and when you add on Star Trek Express and its ability to compete in terms of parcel delivery I think there's probably more that we could do if we looked at giving these small businesses in Australia Post the ability to compete with the banks of a I think that if the Australia Post if we could invest in their technology to modernize the payment system if we could assist them to be able to compete with the banks it's very early days I'm not saying we've got a specific policy of this election but what I am saying is I've thought long and hard about Australia Post and wouldn't it be good if we could use Australia Post to provide opportunities to put more competition on banks to be able to provide services in the bush are you talking about a lender as well haha no I don't necessarily don't wouldn't ously want them lending but there must be a capacity to somehow recognize that the network of distribution which Australia Post branches have be they you know family businesses or direct o direct businesses of Australia Post there's got to be an opportunity to help revitalize competition in the bush and there's got to be an opportune to compare an awkward opportunity to compete with the bank's they can be payments in us now and they do have those relationships to enable them to be payment centers now and so they can become a service delivery hub all around the country okay let's get to our next question nobody's sorry Lynne gone we just need to move on Liam so I'll come back to you if we have time I promise let's get to the next question that right here sent up for me thank you my name is Javier my question is through both of you and thank you for your answers we hear a lot about the investment in current problems and current issues of foreign economy we don't hear enough of the nebari investing in the future of Australia in the future of Australia's the main resource of Australia that means Australia's the kids in terms of education we don't hear often about what will be the plans to support those kids that are often in today gifted and talented a spectrum other countries to cater a lot for them make sure that they are on the best possible path for the future and to support the Australian economy or to support the country's economy what are your plans to support these kids in the location system and out of heat in every stage built your money you get first on this one all right first of all let's try a is not leading the world in terms of the education of children at an early age and the research all showing the research shows that if we invest in the early learning of three and four-year-olds that that has a disproportionate benefit to accelerate their learning opportunities at school I'm talking about Universal kindergarten for all three and four year olds fifteen hours a week forty weeks of the year Labor's got a policy it is a point of difference with the government that we have agreed to fund universal preschool then you know some of the smartest countries in the world achieving the best educational outcomes are doing just this for where we're behind the pack and we make this choice because where there's other things we've decided not to do like as I've said give tax subsidies to the top end in our school system again we've made a clear choice we're going to put back the 14 billion dollars that the Liberals promised in 2013 to public schools 14 billion dollars I know it's sort of a big number but the point is what it practically means in schools there's more teachers to help kids not just this the kids who want acceleration but also the kids were struggling to keep up no country ever went backwards by investing in education when it comes to universities we're the only party out of us to who's offering to fund extra places universities are doing it hard at the moment and what we want to do is put more money into the system allow them to recruit more students which will mean they're gonna be offering more choices to Australian kids the other thing is of course TAFE we've seen the number of apprenticeships and traineeships drop radically under the current government and what we want to do is put money back into TAFE because we think that gives a whole lot of people who might you know fit in the academic school system the chance to go and learn a trade and develop themselves there so we've got a vision for those future for the education investment in our young people Prime Minister well over the last five and a half years each and every year we've been investing that four hundred million dollars a year in preschool education for four-year-olds at this point in time even after all that time with the funding which is matched by the state and territory governments we're still not achieving the rates of actually take up of that in preschool education and that's why we're going to continue to focus on those elements of the programmes I agree that early childhood education is really important but those funds have to be matched by the state and territory governments if you're going to extend them into other years and it's not clear at all yet that the states territories would match what the Labour Party is suggesting so that may never happen when it comes to schools and public schools in particular we've increased funding as a government since we're elected by over 60% for public schools in this country here in Queensland in particular our increase in funding for schools here in Queensland has risen three times faster and more than the state government has put into these schools so we've been meeting our obligations and more and we've engaged on the needs based funding model which was delivered by Gonski mr. gan Smith and we've extended that out over the next ten years which will mean that we'll see a further more than 60 percent increase in funding for our schools over the next decade see spending money on schools is obviously important but what you're spending money on is the important thing and it's the quality of the teachers and investing in those teachers and the funding that we're putting into schools is about ensuring we're getting that professional development that work to invest in the teachers give me a great teacher for my kids any day over a school haul any day of the week because it's a great teacher that is going to change my kids outcomes in life when it comes to how they get ahead we've got to be more interested in how we spend the money not just how much we spend because when the numbers big and you're not careful about how you manage money you always spend more it's one of the lessons of managing money people who can't manage money particularly governments that can't manage money they always spend too much of it and then they all come after you or for higher taxes Elektro Minister are you saying tonight schools are getting enough sorry our schools getting enough we have the plan over the next 10 years to increase it by over 60% and that's what we are doing and we think that is a great investment in the future of our schools and we're going to focus through the second set of reforms that we worked up with mr. Gonski to ensure that we're getting the right outcomes you've got to get the return from the investment you make before you start taxing people more to just throw money what is that bill just sounds like mr. Morrison thinks that what they're doing is enough I don't share that view no country ever went backwards by investing more in education now of course teacher quality is important my mum was a teacher for 35 years she then became a teacher of teachers I've always been brought up on the value and the power of teaching the smartest woman I've ever met was my mum she was a teacher I get it but what I also get is that government's about choices I'm not talking about building school halls I'm talking about funding more teachers for special needs if you think that we're spending enough on education ask a parent with a child with special needs if you think that we're spending enough on education ask the parents who are frustrated that their kids who are very talented are not getting that extra attention exactly as Harvey is raising if you think we're spending enough on education ask a whole lot of people across our government school system who say we could desperately use some more if you think we're spending off in education why the number of apprenticeships and traineeships dropped away I put on that David is we don't think we're spinning enough and that's why we are spending more over the next increasing the spending on education over that what specifically would your extra money Bill Shorten pay for that the government plan is currently not the extra money that we're spending yeah no no I'm talking about on top of the extra money I think that point what would Labour's additional spending alright pay for fire every three-year-old will get access to candy then the government making no plans for that if we want to make sure that schools receive for example my local primary school down the road from where I live it's a school of four hundred and fifty kids I've got an extra half a million dollars over the next three years that'll mean they can employ more teachers offer more music classes offer the chance for kids to learn languages offer the chance for kids to go on school camps without without asking parents who can't afford to pay that their kids can't even go on the camp what it means at university is well have 200,000 extra kids getting the chance to go to university what it means in TAFE is that we will pay the upfront fees for a hundred thousand people over the next three years okay the big difference of what's being done between the two parties is that under labour they will pay a greater share of what the state guards are spending on schools so federal taxpayers will pay more the state governments will pay less and you'll get the same let's move on what actually happening is the three year olds are just not getting kindy the TAFE places aren't there Mr Morrison says that if we do something that there for someone else we'll stop one split you're amazing the funding fighting he's out of touch it's not happening now go and ask your team we've got a question right here I'll see you then good evening my name's Janine and I'm retired and my question is to mr. Morris knock knock mr. most do you plan to have a budget surplus in the next three years or is it more like a ten-year plan we plan to have a budget surplus each year that we're in government and we're gonna release our costumes next Thursday Friday we'll have a budget surplus and we won't be increasing taxes to achieve it particularly on retirees a bit of a jab you say we've got to move on I think we've had a good discussion about franking credits with your will the budget surpluses be bigger under labor I we don't want to release our full costings till next Thursday Friday but yes because we're making Reform decisions when mr. Morrison says that we're gonna stop giving people a tax refund when they haven't paid income tax we're stopping a gift it's not a new tax if I stop giving someone who's wealthy some money we're stopping giving them some money that is not a new tax and do you agree Mr Morrison that a lot of these benefits whether it's franking credits of negative gearing are going to higher income earners no I don't I don't agree that with that at all because our tax plan it benefits everybody earning over $40,000 your personal income tax cuts you're talking baby yes I thought that was the question I was talking about talk about the personal income tax cuts yeah but like in government but if the other taxes we're talking about the negative gearing abolishing that as we know it increasing capital gains tax on residential home purchases over your personal income tax cuts how much is going to the top end to the highest income earners to those earning in a high esteem there are three components to what was in the most recent budget for though only over 40,000 for the big change which is they're having the same tax rate going down from 32 and a half so then it's down to 30 cents for between 40,000 and 200,000 the bill for that is 96 the bill for actually extending the tax threshold from 37 to 45 the bill for that is 46 thousand so we're talking about people earning between 37 and 45 thousand and then 45,000 and above I wouldn't trust your maths in a hat people give this young man example today if you're under if between 15 and 24 okay you count for about 2% of the total percentage of of of income earners that are paying the top to tax rate 37 cents and 45 we could get to the answer 77 billion dollars is the suggestion from Bill Shorten this institute is not I said I've told you what the figure is from 40,000 above the figure isn't specifically set apart and I wouldn't believe this dryer Institute but the might of happy to decode the question what is the top income bracket going to get in 20 24 25 and how much is that gonna cost for the remainder of them see medium term see this is the point seventy seven billion dollars their top three percent of earners yeah that's nice money I think well the other day when you met a worker in Gladstone where you go and they they were earning two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and you saw about women you're having a bit of a chat to I mean and he complained about this and what did you say to him said I will have a look at that you couldn't look him in the eye and tell him that you were gonna increase his taxes by two percent on the 1st of July of this year I'm just wondering if you look me in the eye until you're gonna you're a classic space invader I wanna do okay little light-hearted that's never heard a debate did it um what the question the David saying is and it's a concern that I share what's a concern I have he's just asking the question is that mr. Morrison's basic economic plan for all of you is to give you a tax cut on the never-never you've got a vote liberal twice before you start seeing the big money roll through and what we're also getting at is that a lot of this tax cut is gonna go to the highest level of income earners now there's nothing wrong with people getting a tax cut but you've got to work out how you pay for it and what the government would do and this is why Mr Morrison wouldn't quite answer species direct question is I reckon he has got a pretty clear idea of what the top income earners are gonna get by voting liberal for the next two elections and it's billions of dollars of improvement but he doesn't want to say the number because then he has to explain one that's his priority and two what has to get cut to pay for it nothing silly nothing in the end the magic a statement which is the statement issued by the Secretary of Finance and the Secretary of Treasury at the start of every election campaign answers this question and in that statement by those two independent officials from the public service made it very clear that our entire tax plan out over the next 10 years was all accommodated in the budget with no reductions in expenditures so to suggest that is a complete miss true but let me finish on the point I was going to make though because this goes to the issue of income tax yeah I don't believe that you have to hold some people down and tax them more to tax others less I think all Australians who work hard should benefit and keep more of what they earn and I'll tell you why because I think your money is better off in your hands not in his hands certainly and not in the government's hands because when it's in your hands you're making the choices about where it's spent I don't think the government knows better than you do about where your money should go that's why I believe in lower tasters do everybody let me come time control your taxes you can't control your spending Prime Minister you've dismissed the Australia Institute number of 77 billion dollars the Grattan Institute those is the top 20 percent of income earners will pay three percent less tax overall under your plans now that's not true the top two are tax right they're wrong – no they are because 36 percent of tax revenue will be collected from that those on the top marginal tax rate under our plan and that's currently 31 percent so the those who are on the top rate of tax under my plan will still pay an even greater share of the total tax burden under my plan and what that tells you is those who are working hard those who are earning pay more tax okay and Bill Shorten the point that the prime minister was trying to raise with you before you did suggest to they've Gladstone worker that you would look at tax cuts for those and higher incomes will you well it's mr. Morrison said a couple of minutes so I'm gonna just address you gary has fear going to his space the point about it is under mr. Morrison's tax plan which apparently costs nothing so you've now got this marvelous situation well you can take 286 billion dollars out of the budget over the next ten years in tax cuts but that costs nothing now you've got a look at how you can take 286 billion dollars out and it costs nothing that's your list of it your position by all means will you look at those two tax cuts we do believe that capital is taxed too lightly in Australia and income is taxed too heavily and when the budget is in a proper surplus we'll look at income tax reductions across the board the answer's yes but the other thing I said to that Gladstone worker is he was a unionized worker working at the port and if this government gets reelected whoa behold anyone under an industrial EBA will behold anyone trying to negotiate wage improvements because under this government they don't like to have proper bargaining between workers and employers it's shocking yes or no will you look at those high income tax cuts I said across the board that would include that Gary's put their taxes let's move to the next refers to July all right Roddy's can't make you happy never mind hi my name is Tamar this is for both of you I come from a very strong military family and friends what is the government going to do to support our and women in the defense force that come back and then have to struggle with life I don't want to see on Facebook another friend has died anymore too much I was with Phil Thompson who's our candidate in in her business in Townsville and as we work walk to that press conference Phil got a message and another one of his friends who he had served with had taken his own life we're all very conscious of that and I have no doubt that bill and I have exactly the same view when it comes to expressing our deep gratitude for people's service and what they deal with when they come home that is why mental health care for every single person we have made is ensure that they all get it free of charge for it whether you've served a day or you've served a decade everyone will get that service we've invested significant funds in the veteran centric reform which has radically reduced the waiting times for veterans to be able to access services and payments and having their cases dealt with through the Department of Veterans Affairs which will always be there under coalition government we've also worked to try and increase the recognition and get veterans when they come out of the service to ensure that they have employment pathways back into alternative positive employment in the in the private sector or in the government sector getting people into jobs getting them the right mental health support ensuring that they can get access to the services through the Department of Veterans Affairs more quickly and more promptly and more tailored to their particular needs working with the veterans community is how you achieve this because they understand what their needs are better than anyone can and that's a big part sorry the question is where we are aware of that and that's why we've pumped significant resources and the waiting times have come down but they haven't come down far enough so we're going to continue making those in this I just which we're doing Mr shorten well agree with a lot of what mr. Morrison said there but I am conscious that you made a bit of a follow up comment and so this isn't just about us talking at you I'm interested if you have an observation that's something could do better and I would like to listen to you alright well full to that uh part of it was happy to do it then but no I can talk too let me just bring a microphone over to my father I've got friends and family who have fought DBA and are still fighting DBA and they keep on road blocking him every possible way can you maybe just give us an example of that roadblock what's what's happened my ex-husband got damaged in the military he still can't get his payout okay well I'd like to follow that up a bit take the detail when we're talking about individual cases probably best we follow that up I actually get that not everything's working properly in this country and all too often individuals feel powerless by the system and something which I've always been brought up representing workers is my default position is that if you think there's a problem that's what we've got to work on that's the sort of Prime Minister I'll be I want to hear what the real problem is not just tell you we got it under control right afterwards let's get to another question right here hi thanks for your time mine's Justin I'm 39 each year I paid my taxes I'm happy to pay whatever the rate is it goes to where it goes but in all these of pay tax I've never been asked where I want my money spent so each year we get a tax refund it tells us where it was spent when can we have a chance to actually say like if we lodging our tax you can give us a list of where it can be spent so if we're in a regional area if we think the hospital really needs to be helped there we're spending money where it needs to be not where the government thinks it needs to be spent how can we do that opportunity right now if you'd like to tell us but that's really what this election is all about where you get to choose about where the priorities should be and and how we should run things and and what I've been trying to say over these last few weeks is is simply this that where we get to spend it is only a question we get to ask if we're able to support a strong economy and keep our budget under control so we can actually invest in the things things like for example the pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme we've listed 2000 medicines on the pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme well over 10 and a half in dollars while I was with a young boy yesterday Luo camera he suffers from cystic fibrosis or can be as a drug be listed on the pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme last September on Father's Day that drug means he can now run without getting breathless for other kids it's adding 20 years to their life I think the pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme is the most important thing that the government has been able to do and it says something wonderful about Australian society that we can change lives save lives and improve the quality of life but there are many priorities we're spoken about many of them here tonight and the election is the chance to say well those who can manage money know how to spend money and I think that's a truism both of government and it is in people's own sort of own affairs and that's what we're offering the choice we know how to manage money that means we know how to spend it mr. Jordan Justin what do you do for a living I don't think any one running for prime minister can make a promise saying that every individual just you know you've paid $20,000 tax you just spend it where you think so I understand the sentiment but I'm not gonna make you their promise and anyone who pretends that just having a lend of you but I think that what you should know is what we would spend our scarce government resources on I make no apology for the fact that I don't want to give a property investor buying their sixth house a subsidy for making a loss I'd rather spend it on a childcare subsidy don't have kids health I'd rather spend money on making sure that if you get a diagnosis of cancer you don't face out-of-pocket costs then spending it on our tax scheme which only a few people at the top end can claim what we want to do if we get elected is have a proper change in this country what we want to do is make sure the right priorities are running the government's decisions I think that helping people cost a living investing in genuine climate change so that we can have more renewable energy as part of the mix investing in our healthcare system and our education system I think they're good priorities and we can do it by reallocating money which is currently spent on schemes which only the fortunate few can actually spend money well you've got a managed matter there you've got to manage money well and when labor and lasted government they stopped listing medicines on the pharmaceutical Benefits in because they ran out of money it's a 2012 budget papers and the same thing happened with defense spending had filled a one point five six percent of the economy and they raided the defense budget and they raided private health insurance because they ran out of money we're running out of time just be very very quick Frank Javan my point is that this government have you believe that the last six years have been an unmitigated success they just sort of forget the fact that everything's going up except your wages they don't realize that waiting lists to get elective surgery have gone up in this country they've doubled the national debt they've basically got one economic plan for the last three years which is to give eighteen billion dollars away in tax cuts to big business there's a million people in Australia right now who are holding down two jobs just to make ends meet there's another million people who every month say they would like more hours there's four million people nearly who and casualized or labour hire work this economy has the killer now this is the killer number and I'll stop at this 39 percent is the increase in corporate profits since your last voted for Malcolm Turnbull wages have moved five to six percent this economy may be strong for some it's just not strong for the pensioners it's just not strong for a lot of millions of wage earners and I really want to get to that question many times corporate profits which is the gross operating surplus on the national accounts when you take out the mining profits from that equation have moved at exactly the same rate of compensation employees which is the wages also when you take some mining sellers operate it's actually moved at the same level corporate profits rose ten and a half percent last year if that includes the mining but I'm saying you strip the mining companies out compensation of employees and the gross operating softness on the national counts which are those two figures he's referring to you and you now moved at the same level but I happen to go to the question leave us so I'm sure you are now but I just want to follow up let's be clear corporate profits Mr Morrison says you can't counted he wants to cut out different corporations and say summer in and summer odd number alright Park that even though that the average is thirty nine percent of us is okay wages have stagnated that is a fact and the man next to me has no plan to get wages moving again economy we're going to squeeze you one more question right here hi my name is Melanie yeah I question for both of you it's great to see how passionate you are about the budget but what's actually happening the face of climate change and renewables like that's actually an issue that is sort of going to get worse so what's happening in those areas long term as well all right PMT system our plan to take action on climate change both parties have plans to take action on climate change both of us do we have a 26% emissions reduction target the Labor Party has a 45% emissions retarget that means that we have to reduce that we have to meet our carbon emissions reductions by 328 million tons out to 2030 the Labor Party has to heat 1.3 billion tons over that same period of time now we've already made sure that we'll be meeting our Kyoto 2020 targets when we came to government we were over 700 million tons behind in meeting those Kyoto targets we've turned that around and by the 2020 target timetable we will exceeded that by 369 million tons based on the policies we've put in place the emissions reduction funds and many other measures now we're continuing with that with a thing called the climate solutions fund it's three and a half billion dollars which means that we will meet our 2030 target so when we've set targets we meet them we do need to take action on climate change it is not an option we must take it it's not that any party is not going to take action on climate change that's not on the table we agree about that what we don't agree about is the target and the target that the Labour Party have of 1.3 billion tons that they want to reduce it by they cannot tell you what that will mean to your job they cannot tell you what it will mean to your way to the economy okay mister shorten can you tell us that well answering both Melanie's question than your second question I'm very passionate about taking real action on climate change here's one fair I can give you a lot numbers but I'll give you one basic fact when Tony ever got elected we were pumping out carbon pollution out of Australia about 512 megatons of carbon pollution now it's gone up 543 megatons of 541 megatons of carbon pollution this government's not getting out carbon pollution emissions down there going up what we want to do is take real action so what we've said is we would like to see 50% of our energy mix by 2030 coming from renewables and yes we do have a more ambitious target to really reduce carbon emissions than the government we owe it to our kids we owe it to the future to take real action now we've got a range of policies for doing that now the government say Oh that'll cost you your job Noah won't because it was gonna cost you a job there's already a hundred and twenty companies who even under the government's fairly low target reducing or trying to reduce their carbon emissions what we want to do is that we recognize that if we invest more renewables it'll create more jobs ask to me in Australian households who put solar on their rooftop do they think that's a cost or an investment the lived expenses and the people are ahead of the government and if you think this government's gonna do something on climate change Malcolm Turnbull and still be the prospects we have let me make this point PA we do have 25 billion dollars worth of renewable energy investments happening right now out to 2020 that's happening under our policy to accept and emissions have gone up under the coalition well he's quite is correctly quoted the figures on the 2020 Kyoto targets though we hit that by 369 million tons and despite that old surgeons comment the operation was a success the patient died the union wrote that the rules that are set globally for meeting these targets are very clear I don't rally getting out didn't spend a lot of time telling us the national energy guarantee was the best way to tackle this whole problem one of many ways to tackle the issue were the old Scot not the news I just establish what was wrong with the nig well there are two parts to the nest hated Anton didn't like it tiny Alvin didn't like it okay let's just get an answer sure national energy guarantee had two components to it the first of them was a reliability guarantee which ensured that there was enough base load reliable power that retailers were selling into the market that has happened that actually went through the states last December it was the most important part of the emissions rationale Gary emissions reduction missions reduction target which was also built into the original which we didn't ultimately believe in the end of the day needed to be legislated that is still there though the 26% emissions reduction target has been there since we said it several years ago so there was always been certainty about what the government's emissions reduction target was what there was not certainty about was ensuring there is enough reliable base load power and missed the question that's been well number to this campaign why can't you tell us what it will cost in jobs and wages 25 – sure okay let's go through it the cost of the taxpayer of our policies is practically nil we're gonna spend 300 million dollars to help some of the energy intensity of trade expose sectors cement steel aluminium but beyond that we're not gonna spend taxpayer money the cost of the environment and bother they're spending three and a half billion so they're actually costing you more but we don't need to make taxpayers pay more because the cost to the environment if we don't act to me as far greater than if we do two jobs just a business first of all not a cost to the taxpayer and in fact their plan is a bigger cost to the embargo that the cost of jobs and wages but just the final thing is now business now every city bank you don't take my word for it Citibank issued a report only in the last few weeks to the ASX until its investors they've got a high standard of probity they what they say people invest on so it's pretty Authority they said that our plan would have a marginal impact on terms of companies and the reason it is simple when companies invest in new technology to reduce carbon pollution it makes them more efficient why was it some metal up near Townsville the refinery they have got a solar farm there if they told me that if they hadn't invested in the solar farm to help supply energy to the refinery the refine will be shut okay now so there's a imaginal I can help him with it if not like he was had before I've been I've just I've been in the real world I've seen what's happening okay we've not got this number though on the cost well I was coming the point you make is this every business who's required to lower their carbon pollution will do it a different way so how do I tell you an average where one business might have one way to reduce a ton of carbon pollution and another business that have another way the question is the equivalent of asking the bush fire brigade when that when the bush is on fire why don't you have a committee meeting and work out the cost of water in the hose mechanism which would reduced by 75% the allowable emissions that these companies would be subject to there are 60,000 jobs in around 50 companies operating here in Queensland who will have to pay more under Bill Shorten plan which means those 60,000 jobs here are put at risk and about half of those at more upper in central Queensland there's a hundred thousand in Western Australia there's about 30,000 down in Tasmania whether it's in the cement industry or it's in the gas industry or in the smelting industry these are the industries that are going to have to pay more potentially in foreign carbon credits which come currently at 42 dollars Australian per credit and about at least half of their target is estimated to require those sorts of costs on businesses fears can be between 27 load of rubbish every other country in the world is dealing with this many companies indeed some of the companies in the industries he's talking about are already decarbonizing they're already reducing their pollution this nation needs more for a leader and more for leadership than someone who can find an excuse to do minimum and bugger-all on climate change it's selling out the future it's making us the laughingstock of the world and it's not helping business at all because they're already moving ahead of the government I don't election I think we're gonna get agreement between the two of you on on this but we have run over time so we need to move some closing statements beginning with you mr. Morrison thank you David well I want to thank everybody for the discussion tonight and I want to thank you for your questions and their vents in particular she's raised that I'm very keen to ensure we get those details particularly the veterans issues and the the life like that I think was the Lifeline service that you mentioned before this is a choice and the choice I think is between a government that knows how to manage money because you when you manage money you can control what's spent and you never have to go back to you to ask for more and more and more and more we've seen that before it's a government that wants to lower your taxes all of your taxes so you can keep more of what you earn and the Labour Party wants decrease it by three hundred and eighty seven billion dollars on the economy and hold it back we are facing some very difficult times in the years ahead in our economy now is not the time to turn back now is not the time to put at risk the economy which pays for hospitals and schools and all the important services you don't increase people's wages by putting up taxes on the economy you do it by managing the economy successfully into the future and that's how we can guarantee the essential services that you rely on that's what we've delivered that's what we'll keep delivering and the times ahead will be difficult and we'll be able to steward you through mr. shortly this nation faces a choice and thank you very much for listening to a spirited debate tonight the choice is more of the same do you really think that life has been so fantastic in the last six years I've spoken about the increase to childcare 28% the increase of your out of pockets to go and see the doctor 20% of specialists nearly 40% the increase in energy bills in the last three years alone nearly 20% wages a flatline penalty rates have been cut parents are worried if their kids will ever be able afford their first home all the people are worried about we're not gonna be able to get aged care the pensioners and making choices between prescriptions energy bills meals or indeed health care this economy is not working in the interests of working people and we've seen chaos the issue that dare not speak its name this is the third Liberal prime minister in five and a half years what we need and goodness knows with their arrangements they've made with a few of those small parties what its gonna mean for chaos in the Senate if they get elected it's time for a change labourers make it very clear that a vote for labour will see pensioners getting proper dental support a vote for labour will see the wage is moving again a vote for labour will see real action on climate change and a vote for labour will see support for people with their childcare costs and we can do this because we're United okay because we're stable and because we've made the decision to pay for our promises thank you very much thank you both for the final statements they just hold the applause to everyone in the room thank you for Sand terrific real-life questions tonight for the spirited debate that that has prompted don't forget your wristbands we want you to pop those in one of the boxes so we can see who you think has won this evening's debate but would we all please thank Bill Shorten and Scott Morrison we wish you will [Applause]

35 thoughts on “Second Leaders Debate

  1. Every time I see Shorterm's huge forehead, I get a boner… he's like a little oompaloompa from Willy Wonka's Choclate Factory.

  2. Bill Shorten keeps on repeating the LIE that some investors who own shares don't pay income tax, therefore they shouldn't receive franking credits. The fact is that all share investors first must pay company tax through the shares in the companies they own. Then they receive the franking credits to prevent double taxation. Providing franking credits to share investors is the moral and ethical thing to do. Shareholders shouldn't be taxed twice.

    Bill Shorten wants to spend more taxpayers money on 3 year olds for kindy so they can sharpen their colouring in skills. He wants to spend more so that school kids can go on a school camp. How will that make them any smarter? It won't. Just more taxpayers hard earned money thrown down the drain.

    Capital should be taxed lightly in Australia since its capital investment that grows the economy and provides incomes for workers and goods and services for consumers. Shorten just doesn't get it.

  3. a vote for labor is a vote to legalize rape , shorten raped and destroyed a girls life. why put labor in power again, they destroyed the country with a huge debt but this time Australia will become worse than a 3rd world country. WHAT SORT OF IDIOTIC IMBECILIC NON LOGICAL GOVERNMENT WOULD DESTROY AUSTRALIA FURTHER = LABOR. LABOR DOES NOTHING WITH ANY LOGIC. WHERE DID ALL THE MONEY GO WHERE IS THE MONEY WHAT HAS AUSTRALIA GOT TO SHOW FOR IT =NOTHING , THAT'S LABOR A COMPLETE NOTHING. LABOR WILL STEAL FROM THE PENSIONERS TO GIVE TO THE RICH. DON'T VOTE LABOR!!!!!!!

  4. When Shorten Knows Morrison is correct on taxes etc he just dodges the question or changes the subject and he and Chris Bowen can't even explain their policies correctly.

  5. Bill Shorten is nothing but a compulsive rotten liar and with all his labor and union mates will drag Australia through another recession

  6. I don't understand how Morrison lost the debate on Skynews in Brisbane. This should've been an easy win, pro-liberal news station, pro-liberal audience in a safe area for the Libs and Nats to get votes. Either Scott is a bad leader, Bill has majorly improved or Skynews aren't as pro-liberal as they used to be.

  7. Shorten simply cannot answer what the cost of his hair-brained "climate change" policy is. CANNOT ANSWER. He's like a complete snake. All for a mad scheme that will not make a single difference to the climate. Don't ask me, ask the Chief Scientist of Australia!

  8. "G'day Lana" – trying to show the common touch, but failing miserably. Shorten is a Chardonnay socialist of the highest order.

  9. Shorten is a disgrace. Can barely pronounce simple words. Who was it who said Labor used to be the cream of the working class, and is now the dregs of the middle class?

  10. Climate change & renewables however Australians want it done with no personal out of pockets. Hypocritical dreaming! Review your lifestyles & remove what you don't need to get by. Talk talk talk!

  11. @ 54:20, no developed country gives a damn about their soldiers come home from battered bodies and minds to struggle physically and/or emotionally for the rest of their lives. A person who puts their life on the line to serve the country in the most risky circumstances need to be treated with utmost respect, particularly with regards to monetary circumstances. Having to lock hones with DVA to get a payout for health issues of a soldier is an abomination.

  12. I've been worried about Bill Shorten's public speaking skills for many years. I was wrong. Bill shorten has all the talent the Australian people could ever want in a Prime Minister. Can't wait to see him win.

  13. The first question makes absolutely no mention of women, yet somehow they continue to paint this falsehood that women are somehow the only victims of sexual assault. Not to mention her statistic is clearly completely off the mark.

  14. I like some of Labors ideas, but i believe Shorten will be a disaster as a PM, he will be hopeless under pressure, another K Rudd.

  15. 28:00 They’re killing themselves on the beaches, they’re killing themselves on the landing grounds, they’re killing themselves in the fields and in the streets, they’re killing themselves in the hills..

  16. First question asks about unreported rape.

    Both PM's only talk about women. I'm not here to say more men get raped or women being raped doesn't matter.

    Just here to point out that rape is rape. Let's not get all sexist about it…

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