Lessons in Leadership with Duke University's Coach K

Lessons in Leadership with Duke University's Coach K



this is Duke University when you talk about athletics at Duke you can talk about something that is deeply part of the spirit of the place part of the whole and not a separate a separate thing from from the whole and it's in the name of that that just as I have had the pride to bring Dean's of the medical school or Dean's of the business school or other people before audiences that I am now going to ask Mike sous-chefs key to come up would you come up I suggest you sit in this seat yeah just like when you're in my office we got to get that you want to stage that again you might do that one again ha ha ha although it was not caught on film you saw it here who is this my Khrushchev ski he is he's the epitome of what I've been talking about he's somebody who's biography is known to every citizen of this country and many people around the world and it takes these forms he's a kid from Chicago that's probably a good description he grew up here he went to Archbishop Weller high school I think and then you found the way to West Point dare you play basketball and captained the team you served in the Army and then you began getting jobs as a basketball coach at a pretty young age he became the coach of the West Point team and I think you must have been about 33 or 34 33 when this a promising but not tested mic chef ski whoever that may be became the basketball coach at Duke and thus began what you can really only call a legendary chapter of history four national championships twelve coach of the year eleven appearance in the Final Four we went to you know you you won you're nine hundred and third game in New York and then we have the big celebration for your nine hundred and fourth when you came back then now you've won what 927 I think or approximately who's counting uh the you know the whole point of it is when we had the celebration this is a person who has accomplished at a higher level than anyone else in history who does what he has done he has won more games he's won more championships he's won more everything and then in addition to that that level of success at college he took on the challenge well he was once an assistant coach for the Olympic team that was called the dream team then he took on the challenge of coaching the Olympic team at a time when its success was not so so was not so strong that was called the Redeem team and that was you know seeing you covered with your red with all your players at the Beijing Olympics putting their medals on you as if you were the one who had enabled them to be the winners that's just one of the images that I will just have etched in my mind as long as I would live so I've talked about college coaching I've talked about Olympic Olympic coaching anybody who's at Duke knows that actually Mike's career at Duke is by no means confined to the athletic department utu lecture at fuqua there's a Leadership Program that people come from all around the country to participate in that's located at the business school you are one of the very active supporters of the Children's Hospital when the Duke Gardens wanted a speaker to come speak to their board this you're to say surely this is improbable they asked a microchip ski who turns out to be a demon gardener on Sundays and so you know so like like everything you participate in you know and then if you were to step out into the city every time I leave my driveway and drive down a Chapel Hill Road into town I go by the Emily K Center named for your mother which is a civic institution that tries to give the rudiments of opportunity and education to kids in Durham who might not otherwise have them who are they there are people who are at their age in Durham what you might have been at some age in Chicago so in other words you're talking about somebody whose name has become synonymous with Duke something but but even more than that someone whose name has made Duke synonymous with excellence and the pursuit of excellence so please join me in welcoming Mike she here's what's so funny is Mike was actually in my office what let's write ago Friday less than a week ago this looks it looks a little like my office it's I told dick it's cleaner he told me I was cleared and he used a word that horrified me he said it doesn't have all that rubbish lying around I thought he was going to say Roble which I wouldn't have found so objectionable but I told you that that rubbish is work so I work and good work and my friend uh I was asked to suggest a Duke person who we could try to get to come to Chicago and I just thought it would be fun to say well all he can do is say no so we asked you and right away you said yes you are the missing link of Duke and Chicago if there ever was one you know what you you are the boy of Chicago let me ask you let me ask you this question let's just take you back in time let's take you back to your maybe 16 years old or something like that right when all these chapters of your later life that that everybody knows these accomplishments none of those things were known to you right and perhaps even the hope of them wasn't known to you at that time just tell us a little bit about the U at age 16 or 17 in Chicago well first of all it's great to be back to Chicago I love Chicago and just went out to eat with my brother my brother's retired fire captain he's my older brother he's six six two sixty and no one ever beat me up because they're afraid my brother was going to knock the hell out of them why I never beat you I introduced them to dick right away and the but growing up in the city you know this city is the best city for people in the world that's why I wish the 2016 Olympics would be here which we lost out on and because it's a it's a city that embraces diversity and the strength of diversity and I grew up in a polish neighborhood 20200 west on Augusta Boulevard that's two blocks two blocks west of Damon Avenue about a mile and a half from from the United Center and when I was 16 I did a lot of dreaming I was a good basketball player and a good student a really a very good student and and I had people who believed in me I had parents who gave me private education although my mom never went to high school she's a cleaning lady in the Chicago Athletic Club right not too far from here and but I I always believed that something good was going to happen and I went to the playground and I'd shoot there by myself and I would dream of I have an imagination of always winning I'd take the ball when I you know there's ten seconds to go and she jet skis coming down the court and you know we're down by the score now if I hit it we I went crazy if I missed he was fouled you know he's going to the free-throw line or it's a tie game and now he's got one shot can he win the game or four not won the game and he goes up in if it's in of course I'm the hero but if I missed lane violation and I always wanted my imagination and and then I was able to go to West Point and coach there eventually and did your parents see sports as part of your way to the life they wish for you you know they they never imagined that sport could do that but when coach Knight came into recruitment he said you have a chance to go to West Point I was either going to go to Wisconsin or Creighton I was an all-state player and I never thought about going to West Point as soon as my parents heard that you I could go to West Point they drummed it into me they would not allow me to go anywhere else they whenever my parents would are we was in a flat and you know not a house and you talk in the kitchen and whenever they didn't want my brother and myself to understand it speak polish and so for two straight weeks after I said I wasn't going to West Point they said just pretend this is polish didn't adopt attempted um stupid didn't attempted um Mike and trying not to fulfill that description I eventually caved in and really going to do going to West Point was the best decision of my life and it changed my entire life like kids going to Duke that decision just changes your changes your life so you played in college and then you were in the army and I think you coached while you were in Miami and then you got began getting coaching jobs you know now everyone in the world knows you as the coach but uh but I'm just interested to think back to the early phases of your life where you know everybody needs a job and and you and you got a job and your job as a coach that at a certain point in your life it must have begun to dawn on you that this was a calling more than it was a job yeah actually I knew when I was in high school that I wanted to be a coach and a teacher and then I went to West Point I said I don't I guess I'm going to be a teacher who's an army officer you know means we're going to teach men but I you know like my buddy so I grew up with say I've never worked the day in my life because I I've always done what I dreamed of doing and that's coach and to coach at West Point and now a Duke for 32 years a Duke I couldn't it really can't be any better and I hope next year is better and but but for me now for me Duke gave me dick I've been associated with two of the greatest brands in the world West Point and Duke and my parents knew that somehow they knew that well but but it's still interesting because if we go back to when you were the coach at West Point so so far it's working out pretty well you've been in Chicago and then you got to West Point and then you came back and you're the coach but then going to Duke that was really leaping into the great unknown in some in some sense for you and now and now as we look back you've been there 30 what 30 30 30 32 years and perhaps people in this room will remember that early in my presidency best to say one hour into it ah you had the offer from the LA Lakers and so well of course what I found interesting about that was you know that it wasn't a question of the terms it was never going to be a question of that it was going to be a question of you deciding where is the place you're called what's the I mean the NBA and college are very different things which is the job that you that is really the place that's going to be your home and I'm just you know it's a corny question to ask you but Duke has become your home now longer than Chicago was your home right well I love Duke there's not a person in this audience who loves Duke more than me yeah I'll fight you for that I mean I watch out for his brother yeah and Bill just uh now you know I I believe in Duke Duke's made me better all the time and I'm glad that I've had an opportunity to help make Duke a little bit better but Duke makes me better every day makes me proud every day to say I'm the Duke basketball coach and all of you who are graduates undergraduates or whatever you'll you'll preach the the kids who are going to school there for the first time you will love being a do graduate your entire life right there'll be a sense of pride also a sense that you have work to do to make to fulfill the opportunity the the honor it is to be associated with Duke and I felt that throughout and that's why the program we've tried to build over the years it's really always epitomized what I think Duke stands for and so it's been a really it's done a really good connection so when you chose to be a college coach instead of a professional ouch among other things you're choosing to have at least one quarter of your team every year the people who were in high school the year before and that's right yeah right ah so it's one of the reasons you know I felt that when you and I first made our connection I felt the thing I understood about you is we call you a coach but what you really are as a teacher and if we want to use another word we'd say you're a developer of human potential right and that's that's what you do every year people come and they wouldn't be on your team if they didn't have a lot of potential but the best person who ever came to do wasn't good enough the first day right to be what you wanted them to be I don't even know how to make this a question here's the question I want to ask you and you please turn it into give a good answer to it okay how do you take people who have had the congratulation for being the most talented person in the world and put them in a position where they realize you've actually got to reach way beyond where you now are right right you have to you're going to put them in positions where they're going to fail and for some of them they're going to fail for the first time right because you're going to have to help them change their limits and I learned that at West Point that it there's no way of learning something new without looking a little bit bad in it or sometimes bad for a long period of time but you have to have somebody who believes in you that you can reach the limit because sometimes you won't be able to believe in that and that's what I try to do I think the very first thing is when we recruit a kid you know we try to develop trust and I tell them that I'll be I'll be someone in their lives that they will be able to trust their entire life and but I really need for them to trust me during the first stages of our relationship one where they might come to Duke and two when they're at Duke and learning to go to these new limits that I'll be there for them and sometimes tough not just plug in or whatever sometimes I mean there's no physical abuse that we say you can see yeah I hate it there what a relief yeah well but I'm thinking like in about a week you're going to have your fantasy camp next week yeah and so this is where half of the middle-aged executives in America start getting up at 3:00 in the morning in February to get in shape so they can come play against your former players they don't play against them they play our former players coach them oh that's what they do okay but the whole point is your former players all come back or tons of them come back to be the coaches in this event well and so when you tell somebody when they're 17 I'm going to start a lifelong relation with you the proof is for me the fact that these people just keep coming back and regard you as the beginning of what they got to go on to do well we'll have 33 of our former players back for Italy we've used it as kind of a reunion and also two we have a family our Duke we have a Duke basket all family and there's guys from the 80s 90s 2000 then guys who you know just left a year or two ago and so how do you how do you bring members it's like a reunion and and it's a networking thing that we bring everyone back and keep our culture going and also expose them to about 70 to 80 pretty high worth individuals that might help our players transition to things that they are doing after they get through playing basketball though we'll have some current pros there like Kyrie Irving will be there Nolan Smith Battier they don't beat the the Pacers tonight batty he'll be there the heat but Grant Hill will come and you know we'll have a number of our current guys there and it's a way of us renewing relationships one thing like with former players because I got to concentrate on my current class sorry those guys who are there when do I get a chance to connect to all these guys find out what they're doing or what they need and so the fantasy camp gives me an opportunity to do that well okay so you mentioned though that you still at somewhat you've got to tune into your current players yeah for all the history you've got and I suppose in a way this is the real question I want to ask you which is once you've won 927 games you know the thing everyone feels who's ever watched you coach a game is you coach each game as if it were the first or the most important game you'd ever played in how do you do that well I think I do it just like the you know the outstanding teachers that you have with professors and at Duke they they know that that class that they have at that time is important because they're sharing at that moment with those kids for the very first time and so I don't want I don't want our team next year to try to win the national championship so it'll be my fifth I want to experience it through them so it's 65 it's a cool thing I get a chance to connect with an 18 19 20 21 22 year old while they're trying to achieve something for the first time and that keeps you young it keeps you motivated and it keeps it new and so someone who says will you accomplished all these things what more do you have to accomplish oh I haven't accomplished it with Emil Jefferson and Rashid Suleiman and I haven't done that with these guys and and I'm anxious to do that and because when I lose that then I'll know that I shouldn't coach anymore yeah well I mean anybody who's watched you would suspect you have it and I like to win you know it's a it could be another fact that it's a cool thing if you when you are competing you you do win but you win the right way and you know we've tried to do and you know Kevin white we have the best director of athletics and in the country and Kevin and so many outstanding coaches and goods in good sports there but you can be sure that every one of our programs at Duke is around the right way you know it's you know we would yeah we we do it where we want to win we want to win with integrity and we wouldn't want to win with the type of kids that's right deserve to be a Duke and we'll bring on or two Duke and that's what makes winning a makes it a lot better well I enjoyed shaking Mason pummel his hand at his graduation let me just ask you a question because of course a lot of people have had this question in their mind how the scene of college basketball has changed over the course of your career and if anybody wonders what that could be a code name for the hope you know the phenomenon of one-and-done was not a phenomenon when you started your career and now it's an important one how do how do you understand that how do you get your mind around that well our culture changes a lot you know we've probably had to change how we run our basketball program about five or six times during the thirty two years to adapt to the culture that we're in in recruiting before there was one Adhan mean just in case you're not a basketball fan one and dawn means a kid now has to even the best kid from high school has to come in spend a year in college reach the age of 19 before he's eligible for the NBA Draft about ten years ago they changed it used to be where you could come in right out of high school we recruited Kobe Bryant Kobe was going to come to Duke and didn't have to come he went right to the pros or else we might have had another national championship or whatever but what it what it did is we never had to read never had to play against a certain group of guys say eight to twelve guys who would go early out of high school and so we never even recruited them because it didn't fit the mission of what we were trying to do at Duke but we never have to play against and now with one and done we we have to play against those guys the landscape has changed and you have to look at unique guys who might they might go after one year and they might not but will they fit Duke and so a number of these guys to things that you think would be really good for Duke and it's not as good for me right now with certain guys like that that subset of recruits is that Duke is a great school well a number of the one-and-done players do not want to go to school they don't want to be in something hard they don't want to take a core course they want to be in a school for seven months be eligible for the NBA Draft and go the second thing is if they're really good they've probably been mentored and not necessarily a legal way but mentored by someone or somebody's since they were 11 or 12 so I'm a powerful guy in my sport they may not want that kid to play for me because I'm a they may loosen their grip and so to the things that you would think are hey we got a great school and logic you know like that kids should want to come to do should want to play for Coach K should want to be at a great school doesn't necessarily pay payoff so we have to find out about that sometimes you don't find out about it completely until real late in the recruiting process the other thing that happens with one-and-done I think there's some mentality now in our sport they're about 335 division 1 men's basketball programs and this year at this time right now there have been over four hundred and forty kids transferred from Division one schools that's amazing so it's not just one and Dawn kids going pro I think kids want instant gratification quicker like when I think of our 2010 team you know part of us winning the national championship was losing you know like we lost the VCU we lost we got killed by Villanova we lost to West Virginia long way but by the time Jon Scheyer and Brian zubik and Lance Thomas were seniors along was Nolan and Kyle that's right they were tough enough old enough and good enough to win and so it's just a different time it's harder to teach our culture and to get some of the dividends of having a deep family now it's much tougher now than it was even five years ago and definitely a lot tougher than 10 years ago so we have to keep trying to find ways of maintaining the top level of excellence I mean look in since 2000 we've averaged 32 wins a season you can only schedule 30 games okay that means ACC tournament and NCAA tournament you know this graduating class with you know when we finished the last four years we're 124 and 24 you know like that's 31 wins a season and but it's tougher to navigate that now and and we're you know it you know again we're figuring it out and we believe we can still win like we believe next year's team will have a chance to win the national championship and it's because of the quality of guy that we have but we've we have two good kids coming in we've redshirted to so we have four new faces and then there's a belief just like when I was 16 and now 49 years later I believe in my dream we win so it's my it's my responsibility to make sure while they're dreaming I help them dream big and that we work big to change a dream into reality it really it sounds simple yeah but that's that's the way we've won at Duke that's right that's why we've won a Duke and I'm not going to change well it's it's the satisfaction of watching over the course of a season is not just the individual games but watching that arc and watching how you bring people together and how it helped them make something together that none of them could have really been or imagined and you're surely right that it's it's it's through the losses as well as the wins that you form the character that enables you to win at the end let me ask a little because I'm sure many people wonder you know you so you coach college and then you when you went to coach the Olympics then it's a whole different kind of amp because then you didn't get you know you didn't start talking to these people when they were 15 years old you didn't assemble the team they're not taking classes for you it's a people group of people brought together on you know short experience and you got to make a team out of them well this will be my seventh year as the national coach for the United States and it's been an amazing experience for me I've learned so much I took it over when I was 58 I've learned more in these seven years than I've learned in any other seven years of my life because I keep learning by being the Duke coach and now I'm with four three other outstanding coaches but I get to coach the best players in the world and they're really good guys and but you have to adapt to how you coach down in when I'm coaching the Duke team I'm trying to help them cross a bridges that they've never crossed before they need to adapt to me I need to learn about them but they need to adapt to me when I'm coaching our national team they cross some bridges they haven't won an Olympic gold medal but I we need to adapt to each other and so I form really good relationships with them like this morning I was on the phone for about 30 minutes with Chris Paul and he'll be one of our well we'll select the team and Jewish but obviously Chris Paul is gone it would be on the team and he was on our Olympic team in 2008 and and they just got beat by San Antonio and he's hurt and so we were checking up and I talked you know I try to call these guys I called Kobe after they got eliminated last night and and I try to be their friend a really important thing with this when I first got the job as the Olympic as the national coach people said well he doesn't coach pro players but it's actually been a benefit because I don't coach against them in other words I'm not the Laker coach or the NIC coach so when I have them I'm their coach and I can develop a coach player relationship with each one of them and it's been real a real plus didn't Kobe Bryant say that by being on the Olympic team he got to have the experience of being a college player under you yeah you know what he said he said since high school dick he said I know coach has ever tried to motivate me because I get paid a lot of money and he told my daughter Jamie wrote a book called the gold standard on the Olympic experience and he told Jamie says your dad and his staff try to motivate me every day it's a cool thing he says I love it and just even in your own workplace sometimes you pay people a lot of money you know to do things be they still need to be motivated they need to feel part of the process and and I think that's you know we have great relationships I just hope we're healthy enough we've lost a few guys for from our team well it's all about challenges like oh I'll ask you a lot I'll ask you well I mean you know that's that's what winning is right it uh I'll ask you a last question and maybe we'll take a couple from the floor and I would just ask this to switch the subject a little every time I Drive downtown I Drive past the Emily Kay Center and probably every time you do you do too and so this is something of your life that's connected with your success uh but it's also but but it's something a little apart from that I mean so here's something that your mother's name lives on in Durham North Carolina right okay and people don't go there to become basketball stars they go there to get the support in early schooling that's going to enable them to go on and fulfill themselves by going to college later on I just you know I just it must it must be so meaningful to you to have been a part of creating that thing and I would just like well I said it's an amazing thing we're in our sixth year and the idea came about because basically my mom believed in me she believed in me to be tough enough to say you're going to go to West Point and there are a lot of kids in our area we we service about 1,500 kids a month but there are 120 kids that are in our K through college program that come from 30 different schools in Durham and basically they're talented they have to compete to get into our program but they're not getting enough education at their own schools and so this is a particularly great year because we have our first graduating class we actually have nine ladies nine girls who are all going to college and are the first ones to go to college in their families just like I was in my family and thank you they've also they've also received over $300,000 worth of aid and and and so most of the money it took us seven million dollars to build a place and all that and takes us a lot of money to maintain it but it's producing right now and I love the fact we tried to let people know that their parents are their friends like here's coach Kay you know he's won all these games and when I can tell kid the best person in my wife was my mom and it's not a why and for them to have people who believe in them and support them and what's an interesting thing too is we get as many volunteers or more than we need sure and a lot of them are do students write in about 40 it's somewhere between 40 and 50 percent of the Duke students who volunteer have changed their major to something else as a result of being a volunteer at the emilyschutt offski Center and so it's a it's really a great place our fantasy camp helps fund it than other you know stuff that we do to make the money for it and but it's you know to me again not to be too religious might the preset Weber would say he's trying to be religious huh and but I truly believe if you've given a lot you should do something with it and I've been lucky I've been given a lot and so we're just trying to do something with it and it's something I think really good well we go to Cameron and we see all the banners but no one's ever going to see a banner for the nine people who are going to go to college yeah whose families wouldn't have known how to help them form the ambition or sustain the ambition over that period of time because we all of us who've been successful had that at some point in our career you did and not and now you've made that possible I just think it's fantastic well I'd say it yeah and it we're going to expand this we're going to expand it and so we can service more kids and so I'm proud of it but yeah my mom would be dying laughing like Mike you got to be sad you know that you've named the place for me and I said you're darn right mom and and there should be bright lights on it every night yeah no that's great well here's a bright light tonight oh thanks for answering my questions I could ask 20,000 more but let's see if there's a two or three from the in the house here's one if you stand up there's no mic we'll repeat it or there here comes a mic ooh yeah you got it you talked about the the challenges you're facing in basketball with the one and done and all the transfers lately and how you're having to adapt can you can you elaborate a little more on what specifically you're what kind of changes you're making within the program and you're recruiting well first of all you you've got to be careful recruiting is a very delicate part of what we do and it's all-consuming you do it all the time and the biggest thing for us is that we have a winning culture a winning culture in every way and when kids did not go early and you had them you basically had the older guys teaching the younger guys and you had maybe your best player who's an older guy teaching a younger guy now your older guys may not be your best players okay you know your younger guy might be the most talented player and so how do you go about maintaining your culture you know I have all my assistants our former Duke player that helps my managers are huge in the in that regard and then we have to constantly look at do we invest there are a lot of things going on in our sport okay it's a like you live in Chicago we have to travel through alleys and side streets and everyone thinks that we just like people knock at our door and they come in which is the biggest misconception in the world like we have we recruit all the time all the time and sometimes when you recruit and you cast your watt with one kid and you've spent three years recruiting them and you think you're going to get them and then something happens and you don't get them it's not just not getting that kid it may be too late to come in with enough it is too late another kid so we have to constantly now look at what's our balance of going after kid too long and trying to get a kid a little bit early and you know stuff like that and also the kids you're recruiting you know this is a very technical technological age you know like how do kids talk to one it or more shallow in what they do they tweet the instant message they Skype they text you know how do we stay current in that like so I'm investigating ways of doing that like all my whole staff is on Twitter and Facebook and stuff like that I've not gone on that you know now but Mike will be your friend well but probably probably soon I will be on Twitter and I'm working with I'm represented by an agency called CAA Creative Artists Agency and I'm working with their people on social media to figure out where my place would be and how it would interact in a bigger sense to adults and whatever but also how it would interact with younger people and I'm 65 so the kids I have to be in their culture I have I have to relate to them and I also have to tear down and you want to built up why is Coach K calling what's a cool thing it's a cool thing to be recruited by Duke when does it stop being cool and start being serious you know like so there are a lot of kids who would want to be recruited by us not doesn't necessarily mean they want to go to school or work that hard so it you know it's so figuring all that out and it in this age where it'd be cool to be recruited by me you know but I wanted I think would be even cooler to play for me and so how do we get that across and we're constantly looking at ways of doing that well I'll tell you when Kyrie Irving during the period when the playing of professional basketball was suspended came back to Duke to take more courses to advance toward his degree I thought to myself that's a good recruit yeah you know dick too when you know when we're evaluating sometimes the little is thinking like in our sport there's only one winner the n-c-double-a champ so in 37 years of coaching I've ended the season four times winning 33 times losing college football there are 105 Division one programs you have 35 bowls there are 35 winners you know out of 105 and so like we won the national championship in 2010 a year ago if Kyrie is there you don't know that you would win but he would have been the best player in college basketball and so you got to be careful how you change things this year we were not as deep or as strong a team and then when we got hurt at the end the last week and half of the season we played awful and we are destined to be bounced out of that tournament with Ryan not not being there we couldn't turn it around and so do you do a wholesale change of everything or do you just take a punch in the mouth and say okay I didn't like that I'm let's figure out how to punch somebody and not get punched and so it it's how like you know we could have won two out of the last three national championships you know and but we did and we've won one out of the last three and we got to try to figure out in doing it the way we've done it all along how can we win it next year my goal each year is to win the national championship and to do it with the integrity and the class that Duke deserves it's grand my goal doesn't change each year and I would hope that you all are proud of what we do when we win and when we lose because if we lose we will Lu's right we will lose the right way to they'll never be an excuse we'll lose with integrity and dignity and because we believe that that's just a stopover for us eventually winning and you got to my I believe in the basketball gods they're always looking at you and trying to figure out you doing it the right way and we're going to do it the right way and I can tell you like we're almost competitive as I've ever been for this game and I'm smarter than I've ever been because you weren't through your mistakes and your experiences and you're 65 and you've coached for 37 years you have a lot of experiences and my goal right now I think we have a solid group and our programs in great shape for Duke next year and now my goal is to win the Olympics in London and and that will help us it helps Duke it helps us to get ready for the next thing and so that's where we're at right now please you can sell I'll repeat it well the question is unknown – for motivating players and get trying to get the best out of and what advice would you give to get the best out of you you know the very first thing is is you you will not get the best out of you alone you know so you will you will not get the best out of you alone you have to trust and partner yourself with one or more individuals who are they believe in you they have the knowledge that you're seeking they've had experiences it's like a kid they should partner themselves up with their parents there's nobody who's going to believe in you anymore with a coach like you like I probably have heard me say this I I've been here so long so probably said all these things and you get bored from it but about it but I believe in the expression two is better than one if two can act as one and and so I want every cook every player to trust me and I'll trust them tell each other the truth and how can the two of us make you better and I promise a guy that I'll do that for the rest of your life whenever you pick up the phone whenever you see me I will tell you the truth and sometimes you may not want to hear it a lot of times you will like hey you just want a big game you just got a contract you just did this but also we'll call you and say will you get your head out of your butt you know you're playing weak or you're what the hell are you doing with your life you know and to get something to become better you need to try to find some people like that and they're hard to find they're easier to find at Duke that's what makes it a great school whether you're an English major in medicine and law we have some some of the best people in the world who want to do exactly what I'm doing to do at basketball exactly right that's one of the reasons I stated Duke whole time like there are amazing people at our school who are willing to give that to others and that that's why you know that's why we're that's why we've you know we're the hottest school in the world you know people are afraid of Duke they are because we've made more progress in the last three decades than any school in the world and we've done it because we've had outstanding leadership whether it be Terry Sanford Keith Brody nan Cohan or Dick broadhead we've had four the most amazing precedents in that in that three decade experience and they've gotten it they get it this is a golden time for Duke we have with with Kevin white with dick and the deans that he has Peter Wang this is like a dream team I mean they couldn't compete with bird magic and Jordan and those guys on the court but we're less often injured yes I'm telling you it's a golden it's a golden time for for Duke University I love our team I love our team at Duke and I'll do anything I can to support that team if you think I'm going to call him one more question after he said that you are rock I will conclude by saying this you know it's fascinating to be up here I ask you questions and you answer them sincerely you answer them out of your experience out of the trials and lessons of your experience you're a person who brings the freshness today to to this sport that you did at the beginning but you bring all the wisdom you can only learn through all this experience but I said something when you when you when we have the great celebration of you becoming the winningest coach at Cameron it was funny because you've won more games than anybody but I said that you never want to single one of those games it's you never got out on the court you never scored a basket right it was your players who won every one of those games and so you were the one who helped them become the people who could win all those games and it just seems to me in some sense that really is the profound mystery of universities is how you take people with potential and how do you surround them with the with the environment in which they understand how precious human potential is and therefore form the desire to to do the hard work of live living up to it and the exhilaration of it so for me I'd have to say I come here a tip really to pay tribute to you as what I think you finally are which is a great teacher playing a great university thanks Mike thank you thank you very much thank you thank you okay thanks very much produced by duke university online at duke.edu

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