Giuliani: I don’t like conspiracy theories, we need the facts on Epstein’s death

Giuliani: I don’t like conspiracy theories, we need the facts on Epstein’s death


BUCKINGHAM PALACE DENIES THAT ALLEGATION.>>Jesse: TRACE, THANK YOU. HERE TO RESPOND IS RUDY GIULIANI, PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR. IT MAY OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN TO THIS FACILITY?>>I WATCHED IT BEING BUILT.>>Jesse: REALLY HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? I WAS AN ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY WHEN HE BUILT IT AND OCCUPIED THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT. IT IS CONNECTED TO THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. SO WHEN WE MOVED, I WATCHED IT BEING BUILT AND WHEN I WAS THERE, I HAD THE NCC, AND HAVE BEEN IN IT 20 TIMES AS A PROSECUTOR.>>Jesse: I WISH SOMEONE THOUGHT THEY WERE LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW WHEN THIS WAS GOING ON.>>DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE — I KNOW THE FLOOR THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. I DON’T LIKE CONSPIRACY THEORIES. I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD ENGAGE YET BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW THE FACTS. THE WHOLE THING IS COMPLETELY INCREDIBLE TO ME. AND I JUST SPENT THE NIGHT HAVING DINNER WITH TWO CORRECTIONAL OFFICIALS WHO KNOW AND CANNOT FIGURE OUT HOW THIS COULD HAVE POSSIBLY HAPPEN. HOW YOU COULD LET A GUY MOST HIGH RISK PRISONER IN THE FACILITY WHO COULD BE KILLED FOR SEVERAL REASONS. HE COULD KILL HIMSELF.>>Jesse: RATE.>>THE PRISONERS COULD KILL THEM BECAUSE I DON’T LIKE. ALLEGED AND THEY DON’T LIKE PEOPLE WHO WOULD COOPERATE. FINALLY, THERE COULD BE PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE WHO WOULD REACH THE PEOPLE ON THE INSIDE TO KILL HIM. SO YOU HAVE THREE REASONS WHY THIS GUY SHOULD BE PROTECTED. HE IS VIRTUALLY UNPROTECTED.>>Jesse: SO THE IRREGULARITIES FUELING THE CONSPIRACY THEORY BECAUSE NOW THERE IS A REPORT –>>IT IS TRUE.>>Jesse: RIGHT, WAS A REPORT THAT THE RECORDS ARE BEING FUDGED.>>BUT DO YOU SUSPECT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN FOUL PLAY?>>IF I WERE INVESTIGATING I WOULD HAVE TO INDULGE ALL THOSE THEORIES. I WOULD HAVE TO SAY HE COMMITTED SUICIDE. OR THEY WERE NEGLIGENT OR THEY WERE COMPLACENT OR PRISONERS CAME IN AND KILLED THEM AND THEY DIDN’T REALLY CARE WHETHER THAT HAPPENED. SO I DON’T KNOW WHICH OF THOSE FOUR POSSIBILITIES EXIST. I HAVE TREMENDOUS CONFIDENCE IN ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR COME WITH THE FACILITY WAS NOT SOMETHING HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE IN THE SHORT TIME HE’S BEEN THERE. AND I REMEMBER THAT FACILITY HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST SECURE FACILITIES IN AMERICA. I PUT MAFIA COOPERATING, SICILIAN MAFIA COOPERATING TERRORIST IN THERE AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT WAS A WELL MANAGED. WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. YOU PUT HIM IN A PLACE WITH A BUNK BED. SO WHY CAN’T YOU DO WITH A BUNK BED? YOU CAN TAKE A SHEET ON THE HIGHER BUNK AND HANG YOURSELF. HE SHOULD BE IN A FACILITY WITH A FLATBED.>>Jesse: RIGHT.>>YOU CAN EASILY HANG YOURSELF. 1 OF 10 THINGS THEY DIDN’T DO. THEY DIDN’T CHECK THE CAMERA. APPARENTLY, THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO CHECK ON HIM EVERY 30 MINUTES WHICH IS KIND OF RIDICULOUS, NOT EVERY 30 MINUTES, BUT EVEN THAT THEY DIDN’T DO. SO I AM, COMPLETELY PERPLEXED AS TO WHAT HAPPENED.>>Jesse: OKAY, LET’S MOVE ON. WE HAVE THE MOOCH. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MOOCH. I LOVE THE MOOCH TOO. BUT I DON’T KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON HERE.>>GOING OFF OF THE RESERVATION. [LAUGHTER]>>Jesse: GOING OFF OF THE RESERVATION AND WE CAN REACT TO THAT.>>I THINK YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE CHANGE AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET WHEN SOMEONE IS ACTING LIKE THIS. HE HAS A WAY TO HIS PERSONALITY. SO THE MINUTE YOU SAY SOMETHING HE DOESN’T LIKE, HE FIGURES THAT HE CAN INTIMIDATE YOU LIKE A BULLY. THERE IS A PERNICIOUS EVIL AND TRYING TO DIVIDE THE COUNTRY.>>Jesse: SO HE’S NOT GETTING AN INVITE TO THE WHITE HOUSE THIS YEAR CHRISTMAS PARTY AT THE WHITE HOUSE.>>I DON’T THINK SO. THAT IS THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM, BUT HE KNOWS PRESIDENT TRUMP PERSONALLY. AND I KNOW HIM PERSONALLY FOR 30 YEARS.>>Jesse: RIGHT.>>ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PAINS ME IS WHAT HE HAS CHARACTERIZED. HE IS A VERY NICE MAN. AND I BROUGHT FIVE PEOPLE OUT TO SEE HIM ON FRIDAY AT A FUND-RAISER. HE WAS SO NICE TO ME. THEY ARE ALL TRUMP SUPPORTER’S. THEY WALKED AWAY AND SAID, HE’S REALLY VERY NICE.>>Jesse: THAT’S WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS.>>THEY REALLY SUPPORT HIM. WHY DO THEY THINK HE’S NICE? LOOK WHAT HE SAID ON TELEVISION. HE’S NOT LIKE THAT. MOOCH KNOWS THAT. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING.>>Jesse: SO MUCH HAIR SPRAY. MAY BE RAISING MONEY FOR THE PRIVATE EQUITY? GETTING A LITTLE TRUMP HATERS, I DON’T KNOW.>>Jesse: IT COULD BE A P.R. MOVE BUT WE DON’T KNOW. SPEAKING OF SOMEONE WHO NEEDS A P.R. MOVE, JOE BIDEN APPARENTLY IS AS EVENTFUL AS ROBERT MUELLER THESE DAYS AND HE DIDN’T REMEMBER THAT HE WAS ANY FUN VICE PRESIDENT DURING THE SHOOTING. WATCH AS WE TALK ABOUT THEM. [LAUGHTER]>>I WATCHED WHAT HAPPEN WHEN THE KIDS MARCHED UP TO HIM. I MET WITH HIM AND HE WENT UP IN THE HILL. THEY WENT UP INTO THE HILL. ALL THOSE CONGRESSMEN WERE LIKE NO, NOT HERE, NOT HERE. DON’T TELL HIM I’M AROUND. THEY ARE AFRAID OF ME. THEY SHOULD BE EXPOSED! THEY WENT OKAY, JOE IS NOT BP DURING THE PARK WHEN SHOOTING. NOT A GOOD WEEK FOR JOE. I MEAN COME I THINK HE CONFUSED WHERE THE TWO MASS SHOOTINGS WERE. AND THERESA MAY WITH MARGARET THATCHER AND THEN HE SAID POOR KIDS –>>VERY HARD FOR THE BIG MEDIA, THE ONES WHO LOVE DEMOCRATS TO GIVE UP ON JOE BECAUSE THEY THINK HE HAS A GREAT WHITE HOPE. AND THEY THINK HE CAN BEAT TRUMP. IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT JOE HAS ALWAYS DEALT WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY, LIKE HE’S NOT SMART. SO THEY DON’T WANT TO — THIS IS A GUY THAT PLAGIARIZED IN HIGH SCHOOL. PLAGIARIZED AS A SENATOR. BECAUSE HE CAN’T REALLY THINK FOR HIMSELF. OBAMA NEVER SHOULD HAVE CHOSEN HIM AS VICE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE DOESN’T HAVE THE NATURAL CAPACITY TO BE VICE PRESIDENT. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, AND I SAY THIS KINDLY BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT.>>Jesse: A COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT.>>HOW DO YOU CONFUSE BEING AND FOR ABOUT 3 MINUTES, BEING WITH THE PARKLAND SURVIVORS AND YOU CONFUSE THEM WITH SANDY HOOK? WHEN DO YOU THINK IT IS A MEMORY ISSUE? OR DO YOU THINK SOMETHING ELSE IS GOING ON?>>I’VE BEEN WATCHING HIM THE LAST THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. SOMETHING IS WRONG.>>Jesse: BECAUSE IT GOES TO THE BIGGEST CONSTITUENCIES, AGE AND MANY PEOPLE’S OPINION AND CONFIDENCE.>>AGENTS RELEVANT RIGHT, SO BERNIE SANDERS COME I DON’T AGREE WITH BERNIE SANDERS. BERNIE SANDERS IS SHARP AS A TECH.>>Jesse: HIGH-ENERGY.>>I CAME HOME FROM WASHINGTON A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. HENRY IS 90 SOMETHING. HENRY IS STILL AS SMART AS HE WAS 30 YEARS AGO. SO IT’S NOT AGE, BUT SOME PEOPLE GET, 77, SOMETHING IS GOING ON BUT FINALLY HERE IS WHAT I’M REALLY WORRIED ABOUT JOE. JOE’S FAMILY FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS HAS MADE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. OVER JOE’S PUBLIC SERVICE. INCLUDING HIS SON WHO PULLED DOWN MILLIONS FROM UKRAINE AND BILLIONS FROM CHINA. AND THE MEDIA WILL NOT COVER IT. THEY WERE SOMETHING WRONG THERE. IF JOE DIDN’T KNOW THAT, HE’S EITHER DELUSIONAL OR HE’S LYING. YOU CAN’T HAVE A SON WHO TOOK DOWN A BILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT FROM CHINA WHEN YOU WERE NEGOTIATING WITH CHINA AND YOU DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT IT. PARTICULARLY A SON YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AS HE GOT THROWN OUT OF THE MILITARY FOR FAILING A COCAINE TEST.>>Jesse: I DON’T KNOW WHAT IS WORSE, NOT KNOWING WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND YOU AND KNOWING AND NOT DOING ANYTHING ABOUT IT.>>MY TAKE ON JOE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, NOT VERY SMART, NICE GUY AND NOW I HAVE A THIRD ONE. HE MAY NOT BE TOTALLY STRAIGHT. THE FAMILY MADE TOO MUCH MONEY AND THAT OFFENDS ME.>>Jesse: CRICKET JOE?>>I DON’T KNOW. EITHER CROOKED JOE OR JOE DIDN’T KNOW.>>THE BROTHER MADE MILLIONS COME WITH THE SUN MADE MILLIONS AND THEY WERE TRADING UNDER PUBLIC OFFICE.>>THERE IT IS. YOU KNOW, BEATING THE DRUM FOR IMPEACHMENT FOR I THINK SENSE THE PRESIDENT WAS INAUGURATED. HE HAS COME OUT WITH THIS NEW TAKE ON IMPEACHMENT THAT INVOLVES ELECTION STRATEGY. LISTEN TO THIS.>>IF HE HAS NOT DEFEATED IN THE SENATE, HE WILL STILL RUN AS AN IMPEACHED PRESIDENT AND THERE WILL BE A GOOD MANY PEOPLE WHO WON’T WANT TO HOLD FUND-RAISERS WITH HIM. A GOOD MANY PEOPLE WHO WON’T WANT TO BE IN HIS COMPANY BECAUSE A GOOD MANY OF THESE WEALTHY PEOPLE WHO ARE BENEFITING FROM HIS BIGOTRY.>>Jesse: SO THIS IS AN ABOUT CHECKS AND BALANCES. THIS IS AN ABOUT MISDEMEANORS. THIS IS ABOUT BRANDING THE PRESIDENT, DRIVING HIS NUMBERS DOWN AND INTIMIDATING DONORS AND VOTERS INTO SUPPORTING HIM.>>WELL, I THINK THAT THESE DEMOCRATS WERE DOING THIS, I THINK THEY NEED THERAPY.>>Jesse: TRUMP DERANGEMENT KICKING AND?>>NOW IS A KIND OF MENTAL ILLNESS. A LOT OF PSYCHIATRIST IN NEW YORK, MORE PSYCHIATRIST ANY PLACE ELSE. I WOULD SUGGEST THEY GO TO THE PSYCHIATRIST, GET HELP. HE’S BEEN CLEAR THREE TIMES. HE’S MY CLIENT. AS IF I HAVE A CLIENT CLEARED THREE TIMES. ONCE IS USUALLY ENOUGH. TWICE AS RIDICULOUS, THREE TIMES? HE DIDN’T COLLUDE WITH THE RUSSIANS. HE DIDN’T OBSTRUCT JUSTICE. GET OVER IT. SO GO AFTER HIM ON IMMIGRATION. GO ON — AFTER HIM ON TAXES, THI GO ON — AFTER HIM ON TAXES, THS GO ON — AFTER HIM ON TAXES, THI GO ON — AFTER HIM ON TAXES, THS RIDICULOUS. AND IT’S ONLY BECAUSE IMMEDIATELY SO SET AGAINST HIM THAT THEY EVEN TOLERATE THIS.>>Jesse: WELL, THEY KNOW WHAT’S GOING NOWHERE IN THE SENATE. THEY KNOW THE MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON’T SUPPORT IMPEACHMENT. SO THEY JUST WANT TO HURT HIM IN THE HOUSE SO PEOPLE THINK, OH, WOW, WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION THIS GUY WAS IMPEACHED. MAYBE I SHOULDN’T THROW HIM A FUND-RAISER.>>POLITICALLY, I BELIEVE IT WILL BACKFIRE.>>Jesse: WHY IS THAT?>>I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF IT. AFTER THE MUELLER PERFORMANCE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THE CLEARING OF HIM ON BOTH COLLUSION AND THEN MUELLER HAD TO COME OUT AND SAY BASICALLY, HE COULDN’T FIND OBSTRUCTION AFTER KIND OF, HE LIED OR WHATEVER, HE CAME OUT AND CORRECTED IT AND NEVER FOUND OBSTRUCTION. WHAT ARE THEY DOING? AND THEN HE WAS CLEARED EARLIER IN THE SEVEN-MONTH COUNTERINTELLIGENCE PROBE OF COLLUSION. SO I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF IT. POLITICALLY, IT WILL HELP THE PRESIDENT IF THEY CONTINUE IMPEACHMENT. I THINK NANCY PELOSI WILL LOSE THE 40 SEEDS IN THE REPUBLICAN DISTRICTS WHERE HER PEOPLE ONE. SHE KNOWS THAT. THAT IS WHY SHE WHO RETAINS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF ADULT MATURITY UNDERSTANDS. BUT I’M NOT SURE SHE CAN CONTROL JERRY NADLER. JERRY WANTS TO BE ON DAYTIME TELEVISION WITH HIS MAKEUP ON. BUT I ACTUALLY THINK –>>Jesse: WE DON’T HAVE ANY MAKEUP.>>IT’S GOING TO GO NOWHERE.>>Jesse: NANCY IS ONLY ONE THAT DOESN’T HAVE TRUMP DERANGEMENT?>>I THINK NANCY IS A PRACTICAL POLITICIAN. WHATEVER YOU THINK OF HER AND I DON’T AGREE WITH HER POLITICAL THAT SHE IS A SMART POLITICIAN. SHE KNOWS THIS IS A LOSING STRATEGY. SHE IS TRYING HARD TO TAKE THE CRAZIES DOWN. AND I THINK IT WILL WORK EVENTUALLY. I DON’T THINK WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.>>Jesse: BE FIVE SAYS NANCY PELOSI IS THE VOICE OF REASON AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.>>I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SAY THAT. I CAMPAIGNED AGAINST HER SO

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