Amazon Prime 767-300 Crash UPDATE

Amazon Prime 767-300 Crash UPDATE



it's Tuesday the 12th of March my name is Juan Brown I got an important NTSB update on the prime air 767-300 cargo aircraft crash that crashed while on arrival to Houston Intercontinental Airport on 23 February about 12:40 local time the aircraft operated by Atlas air cargo outfit had three crew members on board the crash was fatal remember this aircraft was on the link arrival coming in to Houston Intercontinental Airport at an altitude of about 6,000 feet everything appeared normal until the last 20 seconds of the flight when the aircraft suddenly nose dived into the ground the NTSB is still working on the audio portion of the data recorder but they released some important information from the aircraft data recorder today I'm currently a first officer for a major airline on the Boeing triple7 aircraft here in the United States and have about 2,000 hours in the Boeing 767 aircraft here's the update from the NTSB report I'll provide a link below here's the important part of the update at about 12 28 the controller informed the pilots that they would be past the area of weather about 8:00 in about 18 miles that they could expect to turn to the north for a base leg to the approach to runway two six left so remember they're on the link arrival flying a standard terminal arrival procedure on autopilot coming in from Miami from the east they're working their way around a line of weather and then gonna do vectors to the north and then come around for a landing on runway two six left the pilots responded sounds good and okay and at the time a radar and ATSB returns indicated the air plane leveled briefly at 6,200 feet and then began a slight climb to 6300 feet also about this time the FDR data the flight data recorder that's the black boxes if you will inside the aircraft that they're getting the NTSB is getting this information from indicated that some small vertical accelerations can assisted with the airplane entering turbulence very standard on any arrival while you're working your way through through some weather shortly after when the airplanes indicated airspeed was steady at about 230 knots again that's about the correct speed for this arrival the engines increased to maximum thrust remember the auto throttles are on and they'll for some reason they moved the engines to maximum thrust at least we can assume the auto throttles did this at this time and the airplane pitch increased to about four degrees nose-up and then rapidly pitched nose down to about 49 degrees in response to column input that says a lot right there the stall warning stick shaker did not activate the big question is was the autopilot on during this or did the autopilot kick off during this I got ahold of Keith Holloway the NTSB on-scene public affairs officer on the telephone and he did not have the information regarding my question was the autopilot on or off during this last 20 seconds of this flight but the fact that the control column movement caused the aircraft to go down whether it was pilot induced or automation induced indicates to me a clear continuity of the flight controls from the control column all the way back to the elevator of the aircraft now let me clarify what we mean by a DSB broadcast data automatic dependent surveillance broadcast this is GPS technology that allows controllers to communicate with the aircraft and find out exactly what the aircraft is doing in this case when the pilots rolled in the heading in the heading select window in the mode control panel of the aircraft the new heading that they were going to get vectored to that heading information when you dial it in that information is transmitted via a dsb that still does not definitively tell us whether the autopilot was on or off at this time even with the autopilot off and hand flying the aircraft you can roll that heading select or altitude change in the window and you're going to use that information as you hand fly the aircraft here's the mode control panel where you can manually put in your altitude heading and speed this is where you also place the aircraft on autopilot and an autopilot disconnect button is located on the control yoke now that we have a little more information from the NTSB let me talk about some of the other speculations that might have caused this aircraft to crash and why they might be a little more less likely of a cause first off the weather I don't think the weather that the pilots encountered during this event or was anything out of the normal I really don't think weather is going to be part of the cause of this accident it's the same kind of weather we fly in in and out of everyday cargo ship or wait shipped cargo shipped accidents typically occur on cargo aircraft like I used to fly the 141 s in the United States Air Force when you strap cargo down two pallets in the back of your aircraft and one of those pallets gets loose and moves back typically those kind of accidents occur on takeoff a sudden weight shift as you rotate the aircraft these type of cargo aircraft that Amazon Air is operating through Atlas aircraft these are called containerized cargo aircraft they use huge container bins that are shaped the size of the fuselage and stack those bins into the fuselage and if there is empty cargo space they still fill that space with these cargo bins making the the chance of a cargo ship very very remote and it's also very rare I have not heard of an instance where you have a cargo ship going forward causing such a loss of control of an aircraft rapid depressurization explosive depressurization now the aircraft was at 6,000 feet your your pressurization computer already would have had the aircraft working its way down to sea level so that the pressure differential between the outside air and the air inside the cabin would have been minimal explosion on the aircraft the the impact zone indicates that the aircraft and the video that they recovered both seemed to indicate that the aircraft was intact hit the ground very small impact zone not much there's no parts of the aircraft missing outside of the impact zone some of the cargo subsequently floated far away like 20 miles away after the crash engine failure no an engine failure is not going to cause you to nosedive into the ground dual engine failure no dual engine failure is not going to cause you to dive into the ground at a 49 degree angle thrust reverser well a thrust reverser at 230 knots is a fairly survivable event if you catch it in time a thrust reverser opening in flight would impart a rolling motion so far this data only indicates a pitching motion nose-down no rolling motion microburst or wind shear microburst is a phenomenon that is particularly a hazard on landing or takeoff when you are very close to the ground when a especially if you encounter a thunderstorm that is just as dissipating a dumping a huge amount of rain creating a huge downdraft which hits the ground and then and then well creates for that lack of a better explanation but some vortices rolling across the ground that is a very hazardous situation that occurs very close to the ground the crews are highly trained to deal with that and the aircraft have great technological capability to detect these weather events now and avoid them before it becomes a critical event at 6,000 feet I find the occurrence of a microburst very a very remote possibility also with the wind shear microburst recovery you're going to go full power and nose up and max perform the aircraft to recover then and you may encounter sinking with the nose up what about the possibility of stalling the aircraft well the NTSB indicated the stick shaker was not activated indicating that the critical angle of attack of the wing was not exceeded the stick shaker is that device mounted on the base of the control column typically that shakes the stick that indicates to the pilot that you are approaching of stalled condition so now we need to find out why those throttles came to up to full power and what moved that control column so far forward so suddenly to produce a 49 degrees nose low attitude and impact to the ground within 20 seconds as soon as we know more we'll report it here see here

40 thoughts on “Amazon Prime 767-300 Crash UPDATE

  1. Why not simple vertigo? Only requires the pilot to get it, overreact with the throttles which even freaks out the senses worse and then shove down the nose and lose the aircraft, not realizing the attitude.

  2. The real cause of the crash was finally discovered. Short version: FO flying calls for flaps. Captain inadvertently hits TOGA as he was reaching for flaps. Aircraft now in "Go Around" mode. Aircraft pitches up to the go around attitude, but the flight crew doesn't understand what is happening. FO counters it with an unrecoverable nose push over with throttles at full power. Aircraft impacts the ground at a steep angle with full power.

  3. It’s sort of interesting that when anyone in aviation says “black box” they do air quotations. There’s a ton of black boxes on these airplanes if you were to go under the belly of the plane and go inside and work your way around. These boxes are easily unlocked and slid out on rails to make it easier to swap or change if needed. The flight data recorder or voice recorder are usually international orange and depending on the plane make and model are near the ceiling inside the plane towards the back. This falls under ‘in case you didn’t know ‘ category. Cheers Bill

  4. So someone or something caused the power to be advanced to maximum and then the nose of the aircraft was pointed down to an angle of 50 degrees. Hmm…either you have a really weird glitch in the autopilot or someone tried to use the aircraft as a weapon a la 911.

  5. do the 767 have cables controlling the rear control surfaces? thinking if it snapped and forced the yoke forward, but then rudder hard over is something pilots practice i guess, and they tend to be forcing the plane to turn? I do remember watching a video where a smaller propeller plane had a cable snap and dive into the water down in the Caribbean i think. But then i am no pilot so just speculating wildly, but going down at a 49 degree angle seems odd.

  6. Hey Juan, what do you think about the possibility of a elevator hard over? Similar to a rudder hard over, but with the elevator instead of the rudder.

  7. A few points of interest here.
    1. How is it possible that autopilot engagement info is not known given this is definitely a data point recorded by the DFDR?
    2. With a constant airspeed (or was it ground speed ?) of 240 kts and a rapidly increasing vertical speed and nose down pitch suggesting automated control, did engine (auto?) throttles roll back at some point after going to max before the pitch down?
    3. Is it possible an intended heading input was somehow made as a vertical speed input?
    4. A 25,000 FPM vertical speed pitched down 49 degrees sounds horrific, how could they get to such a loss of control situation so quickly? Was the pitch down by elevator input only or was there horizontal stab input also?

  8. Could the cargo have shifted aft as the pilots slowed the aircraft down and put the nose up a tad to establish a glide path? Then they force the nose down to get the cargo to come back forward, but then it slammed all the way forward? The whole accident sounds bizarre to me, I hope no one on the plane wanted to purposely crash the plan.

  9. I have been reading and , recently watched a Video about the 787 dreamliner and I have found that the people who build the plane( the good ones come from Everett Washington and the Former President of the Boeing Engineers Union Cynthia Cole that after reading a memo from the company that stated that Untrained builders in Charleston . South Carolina are constructing the Aircraft,and that Quality Control Officers should deviate from the quality control to assist Delivery dates…This Plane is a Death Trap.. this is one Big Turkey…and Boeing is willing to risk your life for cash..and what about the Pilots who have to fly them..

  10. Do we know any more? Is the conclusion most people have already reached in the comments indeed correct?

  11. It’s been a while since an update, anything new to report? Seems like this case has been swept under the rug for some reason.

  12. Suicide? Hmmm I don't think so, How about sabotage??

    Sometimes business is also crime bruh they could easily made a "suicide by design"

  13. Is it possible it was an AP problem similar to the 737-8s earlier this year? Seems like one also suddenly nosed down and auto throttle acted inconsistent if I remember correctly

  14. Juan, you don't know squat. I saw a blonde "TV journalist" clearly explain that the cause of the crash was that "the propellers quit turning". Other TPRs (TelePrompter Readers) on other channels agreed!
    Thanks for your factual, non-judgmental and non-speculative reporting on this, the dam and the Max.

  15. Seems to be taking a long time for information from the NTSB on this one. Based on what Juan has covered, It certainly seems possible or maybe even likely that the cause is what many have silently alluded to here. Is it possible the NTSB is being silenced on more info? Not trying to be a conspiracy monger, but the lack of info seems odd!

  16. My thought is that one pilot had a massive heart attack, and fell forward onto the control column. If the other pilot jumped up to pull him off the column, by the looks of that cockpit, he would have had to lose his radio headset, and would not have been able to broadcast a warning. This is the only thing I can see that would explain this sudden pushing forward of the column unless one of the pilots was suicidal.

  17. Great review of accident. Factual based discussion with out speculations and likely elimination of causes. Can't comment other to say well done.

  18. Has anyone suspected or advanced the possibility of foul play being the probable cause of this crash? I've not heard word one that such might have been the case. No stall, power up and then a severe nose down with a slight rise to 20 degrees nose down prior to impact, wow. The whole thing sounds improbable with pilots fully in command. Perhaps, for whatever reason they were no longer in command during the final moments of the flight? Just sayin'! I have my own theory but won't divulge it because, if wrong, it will be far too hurtful to the innocent.

  19. I would go as far to say this may have been an intentional action. Does anyone know the names of the crew members on board?

  20. if it is not recent automation introduced craft , it must be elevator control line breakage losing elevator control otherwise automation problem

  21. Good job Juan,
    boy those are 2 critical elements, Full power and a sharp nose down command one certainly can't rule out pilot suicide. Do they have their hands on the voice recorder yet?

  22. Flying is fascinating but it's also PETRIFYING to me .. I watch every documentary I can and it's ALOT to make myself more knowledgeable. Ty for your Service… this SC Nurse would love to fly with you being the pilot🇺🇸⭐️❤️

  23. Hi Juan,
    Do you have any updates on this accident?
    I can find nothing anywhere about it in the last month….almost like it has been forgotten!

  24. Thank you. This is looking pretty ominous, but you are presenting the news factually and dispassionately. Your insights are greatly appreciated.

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